
Taya Smith of Hillsong UNITED, March 2017 #tayasmith #hillsongunited
Lance Goodall 26 April 2017


From this to this??
Many would say what’s the problem… ?
On her Instagram account she says sorry Mum, ‘I couldn’t help it?’ And as she said in the post it was the ‘longest AND shortest trim ever’.
We agree! Its not quite the same as getting a tattoo, not quite as permanent at least, but for someone in the public eye, and known for her fashion, her latest look is rather confusing.
Various ones are praising her ‘beautiful’ new haircut?
Bobbie Houston: I found me a little ‘skipper boy’??
See her with the new haircut as she sings in the studio!
This year has been a trend — short hair
Katy Perry’s has new short back and sides
Video of the pop star’s breakdown has also gone viral on social media in which she displays signs of a split personality and describes how she cut her hair off so she “doesn’t look like Katy Perry anymore”.

Perhaps Katy Perry’s style is the NEW benchmark?
In a recent interview Taya explains it was all about the over bleaching and her hair needed cutting
But there is still some unanswered questions.
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I lost mine to surgery, radiation, and then chemo. I am a Christian…..I am getting a wig.
Taya Smith appears to be a boy pretending to be a woman: prepubescent Male To Female (MTF) transgender. Hillsong is an LGBT satanic band attending the false LGBT satanic churches.
So wrong. I have no idea how some Christians can make such horrible judgements of our brothers and sisters. I honestly believe you are being fooled by the enemy. Just because a worship band is large and famous doesn’t mean they are Satanic, and just because they have tried to love those in their congregations who are LGBT, doesn’t mean they are satanic. I know homosexuality is not God’s plan, but there is ALOT of room for how we love those who are struggling in this area, but are still seeking Christ and the truth. Please come before the Lord and ask Him to help you in this area.
And BTW, she shaved it off apparently because her hair was damaged from too much bleaching and part of the reason is to let healthy new hair grow back
What l have an issue with is the way she is dressing so masculine…she had on a men’s jean jacket with the buttons on the male side. Why? Her looks totally transformed.
I heard she felt her new bleached locks were done when she wanted to look hip, and then felt guilty that the audience would look more at her instead of Jesus. Either reason does not qualify anything said here. When you listen to the words of this bands music, the Holy Spirit speaks to your spirit -your very soul. Jesus is lifted up – glorified- and that is what worship is. People who try and judge the ministry of others serving God, are spoken to clearly by God. John and James tried to judge someone, and Jesus shut their mouths. “If they are not against us, they are for us!” Be careful what you think, and then spread as gossip, before you seek the truth.
i buzzed cut my hair but dressed like a female , lately all i see from her is a boy look, if it wernt for the makeup i say she look like a boy…..not judging but this is sending a different type of message, maybe { which i would hope and not that the enemy is making her confused, then oh my her husband,,,,,} that her dressed n looking like that is a suttle way of luring in people that are going thru that type of confussion that they are welcomed to come before the LORD , to TRUST<SURRENDER<BELIEVE<RECIEVE what the LORD has to offer,LOVE MERCY,FORGIVENESS,SALVATION…ETC, I pray that thats wat it is, in JESUS NAME AMEN AMEN AMEN
Spot on , mtf so obvious , they infiltrated the church
If one represents the King of kings, one should act and represent accordingly…yes, we are in this world but we are not from it…I hope she’s not doing it to accommodate the standards of this world : (
Her remark in an interview stating, “God knows who l am, it doesn’t matter what people thinks” leaves a lot room for interpretation. Who are you? As a Christian she should know that the Bible does speaks about accountable as well as not letting your good be spoken of as evil. It also speaks about not doing things that might cause others to stumble, her entire look is very masculine. l don’t know what spirit she has opened up herself to…very blatant.
If her latest haircut is just a fad, then so is her Christianity
and you know this because…??? ridiculous judgement. There are absolutes in this world (truth) and there are trends. God isn’t intimidated by the trends. He looks at the heart and how it seeks him or not. Maybe you should know the difference before you speak out against a sister in Christ?
And we have Christians following trends – why?
I hate to break it to you, but doing things like this change your heart and point it in other directions. For example, it would be foolish to play games like “Diablo” all day and not expect it to change you. Eventually, it’s gonna take it’s dark toll on you.
So, maybe this hasn’t turned her into an Atheist (or other religion), but if we let this slide we’re probably gonna let all the other choices that do.
Oh, and BTW; God said he HATES when women start looking like men and vice versa.
You’re fine. It’s so utterly wrong for anyone to think something that is fashionable or just different, is somehow satanic or a “slippery slope”. Give me a break! She loves the Lord and people! Stop wasting your time and energy with such trivial things that border on gossip! There are real evils in the world for us to fight as Christians
Your haircut is distracting. You are removing the FOCUS OF GOD’S WORD/LOVE from God and his Church and placing that focus on you. Your hair looks like you are becoming a homosexual although you may not be. Sorry but i wanted to be honest.
I agree…I lost it for her when she did that because I cant hear her songs without thinking I’m looking at a boy singing like a girl..I’m sorry.
You’re SO wrong. She looks beautiful and awesome! Give me a break. Stop being so uptight!!!
It’s hair guys the LORD looks at the heart seriously get over it I love l Iong hair and I don’t think the first shaved look was attractive but its growing back watch her walk and who she loves the KING JESUS
If it’s “just” hair, why did the bible say that women should always have long hair? (That’s in the NT BTW)
It’s just hair? You’re implying God doesn’t care about the way a woman styles her hair. I believe 1 Corinthians 11:5 disagrees with you. “But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.” This WOMAN looks like a homosexual- that was my first thought when I saw her, and I actually googled her to see if she has a husband. Our Christian walk can not be solely based on “God knows my heart”. I have heard so many people say this, while sinning in some of the most horrific ways. Jeremiah 10:2, Romans 12:2, 1 John 2 , 1 Timothy 2, 1 Thessalonians 5:22- just to name a few. Today’s Christians want to live, look, act, talk, and dress like the world- but then claim the mercy and grace of Christ. I would be frustrated and displeased with my child if he kept blatantly disobeying and turning to the same sins and justifying by saying “but you’re my parent and I know you’ll forgive me 7×70, because you’re so merciful, so it’s ok!” At some time that mercy will flee- Just as God will leave the mercy seat and sit upon the seat of judgement. Our Christianity seems to have no fear of the Almighty- nor reverence for the Most High. We must be careful. It’s no doubt that this group has incredible talent and their worship music is wonderful- but with the amount of people they influence, they should be walking a tighter line.
If she wasn’t bleaching her hair in the first place (to look like the world) she wouldn’t have to have shaved it all off.
Guys. Seriously. this website is full of ridiculous judgement against God’s children. The wolves in sheeps clothing perceptions are confusing the body of Christ and others who would become.
Judge not lest you be judged. All your “discernment” is far from the Love that outweighs faith or hope in this life. I’m praying that your spiritual eyes be enlightened to the beauty in this world. Yes, there’s evil, but it drags people down to focus on all of what ISNT good. Be LIGHT BEARERS. Not doom and gloom bearers, and watch the reaping of God’s joyous presence manifest through your ministry.
First off, that verse says judge not, lest that judgement gets cast on YOU. Second of all, if I made a mistake, I would want somebody to tell me right? It’s important to remember that we should only judge peoples actions.
Oh, and I guess we shouldn’t read Revelation, Daniel, Isaiah, and Ezekiel because those books have prophecy but talk about doom and gloom. Just remember, Jesus talked about doom and gloom (he talked about Hell more than anyone), because it reminds us that we are broken people and that we need him.
History has shown us that talking about “doom and gloom” forces people outside of their bubble.
And hey, if we’re wrong don’t worry about us; we’ll get whats coming on judgement day right?
Unfortunately, for you, you will get exactly that! You sound like the Pharisees when the woman at Jesus feet was crying and kissing them! He shut the Pharisee down, and He will shut this ridiculous judging you are doing down. You don’t know why she cut her hair. Why don’t you try to find out instead of gossiping!
These comments are so negative and judgmental. I cannot believe you call yourselves Christians. We are called to Love not to judge one another. What ever reason Taya decided to trim her hair is her’s. It is not your body and you do not have a right to tell someone what to do with their body or ridicule them for it.
I will pray for you all, for God to open your eyes to see people’s spirit not their outward appearance.
Johnny,
Yes…. we all have the freedom to do what we want with our lives, but none of us lives to himself, and no man dies to himself, regardless of this selfie generation. – see Rom 14
I knew I as soon as I saw her it was a Transgender agenda push. Another Hillsong disgrace.
Is she a survivor of cancer by any chance? What statement is she trying to make? But still, this is not according to God’s word. Something is up.
She has never had cancer, she knew what kind of stir she was gonna create when she showed the pix; she would have definitely mentioned cancer to avoid it.
Why is shaving your hair getting so much attention? I’m in love with Jesus, but I refuse to call myself religious because of people like a majority of the ones posting on this pathetic blog.
If you wanna do God’s work, go do what Jesus did and say what he said. This blog is more anti-Christ than all the haircuts combined. Ha…
Hair shaving isn’t the big problem here. Looking like a man is. And Christians shouldn’t call themselves religous anyway. Unless of course, you don’t actually love God and are doing thing robotically.
“If you wanna do God’s work, go do what Jesus did and say what he said. This blog is more anti-Christ than all the haircuts combined. Ha…”
Apparently, you haven’t seen the comments below.
Did God say that a woman should not cut her hair? You hypocrites judge her outside without seeing her hear! Jesus said, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
Jesus replied, “And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them.
Do not judge her, first take the plank out of your own eye. When Jesus’ disciples ate on the Sabbath, Jesus defended them because man was not made for the Sabbath but the Sabbath for man. God’s heart is love and we as Christians need to stand in love especially towards our brothers and sisters in Christ.
Actually, he did: New International Version
“But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head–it is the same as having her head shaved”
Seems like head shaving isn’t very hot….
*sigh
So much judgement and proof texting of the scripture in this thread. Armchair warriors – emboldened by anonymity and the “weak faith” Paul describes in Rom 14. I accept your weakness – but not when it extends to wickedly judging another in Christ. If short hair offends you- by all means avoid it. But to weigh in as though our outward appearance determines our heart and our faith in God makes you as foolish as those that clung to circumcision – Try Gal. 5 if you want to know how Paul really felt about measuring peoples faith based on the yoke of slavery you guys seem happy to throw around….
*sigh
Ironically, you just called me wicked, and in the process just judged me; another member in Christ. Unless of course, you are calling a non-Christian (and in the process, judging me TWICE).
Taya shaved her head. Yet another thing that makes her seem masculine. Non-Christian woman accept that it is alright for woman to look like men, but the Bible says not to conform to this world (how we dress, talk, act, etc.)
New International Version
Romans 12:2
“Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.”
If dressing and looking like a man even though you are a woman isn’t conforming, I don’t know what is.
* sigh …
Alright Daniel M –
I agree with you – when it comes to conforming you ” certainly don’t know what it is”. Maybe read the whole passage (Rom 11 &12) and show me where Paul is making an argument for hair cuts or clothing or tattoos or whatever is causing “weak faith” (Rom 14) in you . If you think the message of the Gospel is to get believers to look outwardly a certain way – you have COMPLETELY missed the message. You think John the Baptist looked a certain way? You think King David danced around in an ephod concerned about outward appearance? Were they “conforming ” to your liking? Try reading Matt 23 -if you want to know how Jesus felt about worrying about your outward appearance … he called those people “blind guides” . Or if you think Paul has your back, try reading Acts 15 (focus on vs 24-29) and seeing what kind of behavior the Apostles decided was worth correcting (hint its sexual immorality , food polluted by idols and meat that’s too bloody)
And Yes i have read 1 Cor 11 and notice that you proof texted a verse our of context above.. I’d love to see where Paul says a woman cutting her hair is a sin – and if you want to exegete the whole passage we can get into temple prostitution at the temple of Diana/Aphrodite in Corinth and why Paul was giving specific instructions to new believers in Corinth about how to distance themselves from Aphrodite…etc..
But let’s be clear –
Conforming to the world has nothing to do with your hair. -However it is VERY much like the world to sit behind a computer and maliciously attack the character of another human being based on physical appearance… Maybe that is the “do not conform” you should be worried about….that speaks to a heart issue – and God is always looking at the heart…Just sayin..
Ironically, you are sitting at a computer “attacking” me. You accused me more than anybody else here.
Anyway, Jesus said that you shall know people by their fruit. Let’s be honest, if my heart is truly seeking God, wouldn’t my actions reflect it?
Matthew 7:15-20
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.”
Oh, and since you brought up the Old Testament. Here’s a verse about tattoos:
Leviticus 19
28“ ‘Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the Lord.”
One important aspect is that the Bible says things come from the inside out, not the other way around. Now, the biggest problem here is not that she is cutting her hair, but rather that she looks like a man. This haircut is merely showing her fruit. Here’s a little more context if you need it, this time from a different translation:
1 Corinthians 11:13-15
“Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? Doth not nature itself teach you, that, if a man hath long hair, it is a shame unto him? But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given for her covering.”
KJV
Mighty hard to cover yourself with short hair isn’t it? If you don’t believe that conforming to the world has nothing to do with how you look, then just look at Miley Cyrus in the photos provided above. Conforming your heart to the world will eventually show up on the outside.
Also, here are some problems with your argument:
“Try reading Matt 23 -if you want to know how Jesus felt about worrying about your outward appearance … he called those people “blind guides.” ”
The beginning of Mat 23:
“Then Jesus spake to the multitudes and his disciples, Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but not ye after their works: for they say and do not”
Just from the first few verses, we can gather that Jesus is talking about the Pharisees and reading on we see that the rest of the verses support that claim. Moving on to your quote:
Verse 16
“Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!” I have also included the rest of the rest of the passage as I am sure you do not want to be quoted out of context:
“17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold? 18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty. 19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? 20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon. 21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.”
We can gather that Jesus is talking about swearing here, not about outward appearance. Now it is correct that in the ancient times, people would swear by these things to look good, but Jesus is talking about swearing in this passage. Not about looking good. Also, you prooftexted by only showing part of the verse when the rest of the passage conflicts with you are saying. Moving on now:
“Or if you think Paul has your back, try reading Acts 15 (focus on vs 24-29) and seeing what kind of behavior the Apostles decided was worth correcting (hint its sexual immorality, food polluted by idols and meat that’s too bloody).”
Based on this quotation, if I were to follow this logic, I would only correct errors pertaining to ” sexual immorality, food polluted by idols and meat that’s too bloody.” The Apostles did indeed deem this behavior worth correcting but in other passages, they also corrected:
Gossip (1 Timothy 5:12)
Expecting Christians to follow Jewish laws (Galatians 2:11-14 )
These are only a couple of things that they corrected that deal with outward appearance.
Our appearance is an outward manifestation of an inward transformation of our heart- it changes.
ugh… you have tried so hard and are still so far away from the point…
Ok – first – You replied to my general post about armchair warriors wickedly judging in this thread… I didn’t mention you by name until you addressed me, at which point I refuted your logic with scripture IN CONTEXT…
So here is a little more help…
Jesus didn’t speak in chapter and verse -and if you don’t see that Matthew 23 is a scathing reprimand to religious elitist for expecting that ones outward appearance(google phylacteries if you don’t know what they are) is more important than what is happening in your heart (vs 5,6,7,12,15 etc…) The culmination of this point are the “Woes” in which i referenced blind guides… It is all ONE conversation – if that isn’t clear, I don’t know how to help you.
Next Acts 15 – should rock your legalistic worldview.. certainly Paul gave instruction to local churches to help with specific matters and worked with his proteges to develop disciples… but NEVER do you see any of the ridiculous judgmental drivel that has been posted on this site – concerning something as trite as a haircut…
And you can keep quoting 1 Cor 11 – but I asked a simple question – does Paul say it is a sin?! Hint – neither his argument from nature and his argument about shame state that it is sinful. Furthermore let me ask you: Is he speaking about all women believers in every context or to women who prophecy and pray in church? (Hint Taya is NOT included in that list for these purposes) Maybe it would be wise to ask yourself why he brings the topic up? (Hint the Corinthian church was full of former temple of Aphrodite worshipers that were used to temple prostitutes that they identified by lack of head covering) Also, did Paul say that it was expected in EVERY church? (Hint 1 Cor 11:16 – there were NO such practice in all the churches) He is correcting a SPECIFIC issue at Corinth – they needed to distinguish themselves from the Aphrodite worshipers and not cause people to struggle with… wait for it… SEXUAL IMMORALITY! AAAAnnnndddd we are back at Acts 15….
I also would like to point out that the author of this actual article is either wickedly judging or desperately generating “Click bait” by writing ridiculous nonsense. They fail to make any point whatsoever, and the article is horribly written.
Finally- the real “ironic” thing here is that you feel attacked and accused. After you bullied, proof texted scripture and sarcastically responded to posts with attacks throughout this thread – you just ran into some actual strength. (You actually stated sarcastically in a post above that “if you made a mistake you would want someone to tell you”… apparently that was not true) Playing the victim card when someone stands up to you is pretty weak…. just sayin…
“ugh… you have tried so hard and are still so far away from the point…”
No, you are just cocky and refusing to go beyond your borders and consider if what other people believe is right.
” the real “ironic” thing here is that you feel attacked and accused”
The way I chose to speak here is emotionless because the Jesus spoke that acting on your emotions (instead of thinking about your actions) can cause damage to one another.
“Playing the victim card when someone stands up to you is pretty weak…. just sayin…”
Victims are always weak. You are just stating the obvious.
“AAAAnnnndddd we are back at Acts 15….”
Even if you are right, you are never going to convince anyone speaking like that.
“Ok – first – You replied to my general post about armchair warriors wickedly judging in this thread… I didn’t mention you by name until you addressed me, at which point I refuted your logic with scripture IN CONTEXT…”
You are clearly acting upon your emotions. I am afraid you are not a mature enough Christian to have the fruit of self-control so I am going to draw the line right here. You can reply if you want, but I am not going to read it. “Playing the victim card when someone stands up to you is pretty weak…. just sayin…”
My father always taught me that you are a stronger man if you can pick your battles instead of acting on emotion and running into each one.
So, I will be praying for you
God Bless and bye.
I so agree with you Daniel M.
People mostly quoted 1 Samuel 16:7King James Version (KJV)
7 But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.
and interpret it according to their standards and not God’s without His entire principle. What’s “in” the heart should reflect the “outward”,without any contradiction of His Word! Woman’s hair is her glory! i believe in that..
So , Daniel, don’t read whT Mike said, but here it is from someone else. You are the legalistic blind guides Jesus spoke about. Jesus NEVER judged anyone by their looks. I would imagine you in Biblical Times being quite outspoken on why people with leprosy got that way! I could hear you saying something like this! “They must be sinners! They must live in filth! God would not allow them such a disease if they were not living in sin!” God forgive you! You will answer for this! Jesus would rebuke your accusations! Know your facts before you gossip!
So , Daniel, don’t read what Mike said, but here it is from someone else. You are the legalistic blind guides Jesus spoke about on this thread. Jesus NEVER judged anyone by their looks. I would imagine you in Biblical Times being quite outspoken on why people with leprosy got that way! I could hear you saying something like this! “They must be sinners!” God forgive you! You will answer for this! Jesus would rebuke your accusations! Know your facts before you gossip!
“He is correcting a SPECIFIC issue at Corinth – they needed to distinguish themselves from the Aphrodite worshipers”
So you’re saying he is dealing with people trying to look like sinners…… But what is Taya (and many other Christians who have been deceived) doing while bleaching their hair, and the chopping it off ? Just sayin’.
Fair enough. I picked this battle because I believe it grieves the heart of God when people claim to know him yet feel comfortable crushing one of his children with self righteous judgment… I believe that defames His name and is a major reason why generations of young men and women are outright rejecting the Christian faith (as presented). I believe if they knew the heart of God, experienced that from folks that are supposed to be commissioned into the ministry of reconciliation (2 Cor 5:17) they would fall in love with Jesus.
But when they see articles like the one written above – sarcastically mocking a Christian artist for cutting her hair – and then armchair warriors piling on insults and judgments – it only confirms their worst fears – that if God exists, he probably hates them.
This is why I engaged so strongly. Daniel – who knows if your heart will change/transform – however someone else reading this thread may see that there are Christian men and women who are willing to stand up and say not only are the hearts of these authors wicked – their message is not a true reflection of God’s Word.
Jesus was not afraid to turn over tables – to tell Peter to “get behind me satan”, to tell Herod he was a fox, to tell the pharisees they were a brood of vipers – whenever ANYONE (even people He loved) missed the heart of God and spewed venom in his name…It wasn’t cocky and he didn’t consider them victims. They were in need of stern correction and received it.
Emotions are part of the human condition and I thank God that Jesus demonstrated the full gambit of the emotional spectrum without sinning… so your self control shot at me is just more manipulative nonsense…
I appreciate that you don’t want to continue – I am not sure what more there is to say….
Except – if you are reading this thread and wondering what in the world just happened –
Hear this – Jesus is our advocate. He is for us! Not against us! Your hair – outward appearance – your talents etc.. are not eternal… but your soul is. And Jesus came to the earth – fully God and man – to show us what the Father in Heaven is really like. That He is kind, loving ,- righteous but seeking to save each and everyone that would receive it. Jesus went to tax collectors, fisherman, upper class, lower class, and gave the same invitation- Follow Me. People changed and became more like Jesus because they realized He loves them and has a better plan for them then they could imagine – NOT out of fear or judgment. The bible says it is “God’s kindness” that leads to repentance… He likes you.
Also get off this lame site – full of hate and vitriol. Get into a good Bible believing church and do life with some folks that are messy just like you… there is Hope!
Just sayin…
Mike, Godbless you, and your heart, and your knowledge of , not only Hods word but His heart. I have been touched deeply by the songs of their new album, Of Dirt and Grace. No one could listen to the lyrics without knowing their hearts toward their Savior. Thank you for telling people this is not a representation of God or His true message. , too, see so many turned off to Christians because of the nonsense and judgment on this thread. I was like the woman at Jesus feet – once upon a time – and Jesus gave me forgiveness and life. I am now a pastoral counselor to women like I was. I wrote a book, Forgiven Much, though a fictional account, it is a story of the radical transformation of Mary Magdalene after crossing paths with Jesus. Since we know so little about her life until then, I gave her mine, so that people may see how a woman can get to that sin point, due to things beyond her control in her childhood. It is a wake up call for those who like to judge people.
Please forgive the misspells. It’s late and I didn’t proof
Jesus was not afraid to turn over tables – to tell Peter to “get behind me satan”, to tell Herod he was a fox, to tell the pharisees they were a brood of vipers – whenever ANYONE (even people He loved) missed the heart of God and spewed venom in his name…It wasn’t cocky and he didn’t consider them victims. They were in need of stern correction and received it..
So exposing Taya’s new hair cut fails to fit into this category?
Joel Osteen’s recent’diablo’ sign doesnt fit in this category?
Pope Francis being a strong supporter of Islam as reported on this site and others doesnt fit in this cagegory?
The priest who raped 30 children as mentioned recently on this site, should it be removed from this site?
Yes, this site is full of these articles and comments for good reason
Get into a good Bible believing church and do life with some folks that are not messing around …there is hope when God ‘s people start living Holy lives.
Just sayin…
Lance – quick question/observation -any reason why you chose to focus on Taya’s haircut and not Jonathon’s long hair? (who sings right next to Taya on this tour) Careful – your misogyny is showing!
Furthermore – You certainly didn’t “Expose” anything… that would indicate that something was hidden. Certainly any person with functioning vision could see that she cut her hair?! She posted it publicly – there are live performances all over the internet that anyone can see, etc… Rather you “implied” something… that her haircut was an attempt to emulate some other artist, and must therefore be sinful, and an endorsement of a sexually deviant lifestyle…At least you didn’t proof text scripture – you offered none!
However, your implications are judgmental nonsense – your implying that somehow she violated the scripture “the word of God judges” shows you have failed to do the work Paul described to “show yourself approved” (2 Tim 2:15) “and rightly handle the word of truth”
And let me throw some IN CONTEXT concern your way… Jesus is clear (Matt 12:31) that “your sin and slander can be forgiven” so you may want to address that because he goes on to say (Matt 12:36) that you will have to give an account for every careless word you have spoken…
Quick moment of honesty/clarity – do you genuinely believe Jesus will be concerned about Taya’s haircut on the day of judgment? Because he certainly indicated he would address careless, slandering, judgmental words that we use….just sayin….
Hi Mike,
This reply will be over 3 parts….PART 1
Neglect of the question of influence is easily illustrated.
Most Christians feel their lives are spiritually sound if they determine, “Is it wrong?” To declare, “I see nothing wrong with it,” is a common, accepted defense of actions, involvements, and speech. The Christian who asks, “Is it right?” is regarded as being unusually conscientious. Basing conduct on a determination of what is right is regarded as a mark of exceptional spiritual maturity. How many Christians regularly ask, “How will this affect my spiritual influence?” Compared to those who ask, “Is it wrong?” or, “Is it right?” they are few. Christians who regulate conduct on the basis of influence are regarded as being extreme, radical, and beyond being understood. The question of influence has never been regarded as a necessary question.
The New Testament forcefully emphasizes that Christians individually and collectively are to be concerned continuously about their influence. Christians are godly, honorable people. Paul made practical application of faith to daily life in Romans 12. In one application he said, “Take thought for things honorable in the sight of all men” (v. 17). Being honorable in everyone’s sight is never accidental. Such influence is produced by careful thought about all of one’s conduct in all of one’s life. The Christian who seeks to be honorable is concerned about everyone’s thinking. He even wants to be undeniably honorable before those who disapprove of his spiritual values and commitments. An honorable life is built by giving considerable thought to how one lives each day.
When distressed churches in Judea were in grave need, Gentile Christians provided financial relief. Read 2 Corinthians 8:16-24 and note the preparations made for delivering the gift.
Though Paul was a self-sacrificing Apostle respected by many, he refused to place his reputation in the hands of chance. Caring for other’s money easily can destroy one’s reputation and influence. The absence of banks and international means of exchange meant the collection had to be carried several hundred miles to Judea. It is implied that each contributing congregation sent a representative with the gift. Additionally, a widely respected brother accompanied the group. This was not done because Paul was dishonest or because he did not trust himself. These were precautions to eliminate any opportunity for confusion, doubt, or unjust accusation. Nothing would destroy the good influence and the expression of love created by the gift. In Paul’s words, “…We take thought for things honorable, not only in the sight of the Lord, but also in the sight of men” (v.21). Concern for doing things honorably in God’s sight was insufficient. Doing things honorably in the sight of people was equally important.
The difficult cultural and spiritual backgrounds of Jews and Gentiles created a difficult, sensitive problem in many first-century congregations. Congregations composed of both converts faced some delicate problems. Food created one such problem. The Gentiles always had eaten food offered to idols. Idolatrous festival days commonly were observed with a feast. The gifts of food were too numerous to be consumed on the festival day, and there was no way of preserving the foodstuffs. The surplus food was sold in the markets. The Gentiles were accustomed to eating at the feasts, to buying the surplus food, and to eating any kind of meat.
The Jews by Mosaical command (Leviticus 11) had followed a strict dietary code which excluded many meats. They also believed eating food which had been offered to an idol honored a false god. For both reasons they vigorously refused to eat such food.
Cultural preferences and former consciences did not end with Christian conversion. Though all food is acceptable (I Timothy 4:4), a Jewish Christian had difficulty eating all meats. His past life had been regulated by a different divine law. As a result, spiritual tension developed between Jewish and Gentile Christians concerning proper food to eat.
Regarding the problem, Paul stated that (1) they were not to pass judgment on each other; (2) they were not to cause anyone to stumble; (3) and they were not to use the right to eat meat to destroy a person for whom Jesus died (Romans 14). In Romans 14:16 Paul wrote, “Let not then your good be evil spoken of…” What was right within itself was not to be used to produce an evil influence. Being right or doing that which was right in a harmful manner can destroy other Christians. It was their responsibility to see such did not happen.
Jesus used two powerful illustrations to stress the responsibility of spiritual influence. In Matthew 5:13, He stated, “Ye are the salt of the earth; but if the salt have lost its savor, wherewith shall it be salted? It is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out and trodden under foot of man.” Because salt was the principal preservative of meat in Jesus’ day, it was an impressive symbol of the power and outreach of influence. It was a highly taxed item. At times salt traders were taxed to the point of destroying their opportunity to make a profit. As a result traders often mixed other white crystalline salts with sodium chloride. This increased the quantity of salt while decreasing the concentration of the sodium chloride. If the salt was “diluted” enough times as it passed from trader to trader, there would not be enough sodium chloride in the “salt” to preserve meat. Yet, even a small amount of sodium chloride would kill plant life. Worthless salt had to be thrown in the road to keep it from being harmful. Jesus’ point is powerful. Christians are his spiritual salt.
However, Christians can dilute their lives with worldliness to the point that they have no useful spiritual influence. At that point they become a destructive influence who produce only harm.
In Matthew 13:33 Jesus compared spiritual influence to leaven or yeast. A little yeast can make any amount of dough rise. It will work until the entire amount has been touched by its presence. His disciples were to be His yeast in this world. Christian influence was expected to work its way throughout society and the world.
Selfishness – Influence’s Enemy
The ultra-selfishness which increasingly characterize Americans should be of grave concern to all Christian. The American society has been geared to everyone satisfying self. In almost everyone’s life, “I” is the most important factor. The number one concern and top priority is “me.” “Me” is the basic concern is every issue. Even beneficial social reforms are unlikely to occur because of people’s overwhelming concern about how the change will affect “me.” There is more concern for “me” than for the good of society.
The basic attitudes of society infiltrate the thinking of God’s people. Theoretically, most Christians deplore selfishness. Practically, they find it convenient to become more selfish every year. A noticeable evidence of increasing Christian selfishness is seen in the popular attitude, “I am responsible for me, and only for me!” It generates this thinking: “My basic spiritual concern is me. You take care of yourself. If I know I am not sinning, nothing else matters. If I am misunderstood, that is not my problem.” Too many Christians have forgotten that we are members of one another (Romans 12:5).
Christians do not seem to realize that this concern with self, “my” desires, and “my” rights disclaims the responsibility of Christian influence. It declares a Christian can belong to Christ while refusing to be His salt and yeast. It declares a Christian can follow a Lord who is interested in everyone while he is interested in no one. It affirms one can be a Christian and completely be disinterested in the influence his life exerts. These are deceitful, distorted, inaccurate concepts of the meaning of being a Christian.
Insofar as service and commitment to Christ, Christians never live for themselves. Every Christian is what he is because of the grace of God. He is physically and spiritually God-made. Christ died for Christians that they should no longer live for themselves but for Him who died for them (2 Corinthians 5:15).
To be contd….
Hi Mike,
PART 2……
Influence: A Debt To Others
In regard to Christian influence on sinners, the Christian never lives for himself. Peter wrote in I Peter 2:11, 12:
Beloved, I beseech you as sojourners and pilgrims, to abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul; having your behavior seemly among the Gentiles; that, wherein they speak against you as evil doers, they may be your good works, which they behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.
This was written to persecuted Christians living under hard circumstances.
They were not to forget they did not belong to this world. They were to behave in a blameless fashion among the pagans. In time the power of their godly influence would demand respect.
In I Peter 2:15 Peter again wrote,
“For so is the will of God, that by well-doing ye should put to silence the ignorance of foolish men.”
Christians will never out-argue the world. The world’s criticisms and foolish arguments will never be silenced by out-talking the world. Christians disarm the ignorant and foolish by outliving them. Influence, not words, will disarm the enemies of the godly,
Further, Peter wrote in I Peter 3:15, 16:
Sanctify in your hearts Christ as Lord: being ready always to give answer to every man that asks you a reason concerning the hope that is in you, yet with meekness and fear; having a good conscience; that, wherein ye are spoken against, that they may be put to shame who revile your good manner of life in Christ.
Christ was to be set aside as THE Lord in their lives. The reality of their hope was to be so obvious that unbelievers would ask them how they maintained their hope. They were to answer as respectful gentlemen who lived in all good conscience. In this manner, those who reviled their good manner of life would be put to shame. Again, their enemies would not be defeated by arguments and words, but by the influence of an unconquerable, hope filled life in Christ.
In regard to Christian influence on Christians, the Christian never lives for himself. Scripture gives continuing emphasis to the fact that Christians bear each other’s burdens and seek each other’s well-being (Galatians 6:1-5; Romans 15:1-3; Philippians 2:1-8).
The heart of this responsibility rests in the reality that Christians are a family. Because Christians belong to Christ, they belong to each other. This spiritual family is sustained by agape love, the love which seeks the highest good of another. This is the love which moved Christ to die for all. As one Christian considers another, he must understand, “If my Lord died for you, and you are His child, I cannot hurt or discourage you by the way I live. Because He loves you, I must love you and be concerned about your well-being. His death made us family.”
The revival of a proper concern for Christian influence is urgently needed. Concern about appropriate Christian dress, speech, pleasures, business practices, and associations must be renewed.
That concern must not degenerate into Pharisaical laws and rules based on human judgments and evaluations.
Rather, Christians must awaken to the fact that godly people look like, act like, and speak like godly people.
When Christian people begin to look like, talk like, and act like the godless people around them, it is probable they have become like the godless people around them.
If a Christian has courage and faith, God can use him powerfully in any honorable walk of life.
PART 3
Hillsong or Hellsong
The following is an exert from the book ;
Hellsong – The Music of Hillsong
We live in perilous times. Our period of history is fulfilling biblical prophecy by the hour.
We live in a world of tweeters at a time when our world teeters on the precipice. We are happy with a form of religion. We have embraced a gospel of happiness instead of a gospel of holiness. Each week we go through our performance. The pulpit now is filled with puppets, prosperity, and pantomimes.
Prayer has been left for the privileged few. We have replaced the death of the cross for the delights of croissants. Yet I drive past a local temple mosque on any given night to see some fifty or more cars overflowing their carparks. Our commitment is ‘I’ll try to get to the meeting if I have nothing else on.’
We have a religion of no cost, no demand, and no discipline.
One of the greatest tragedies of our age is the church has given up on the gospel. Whatever method it uses now is nothing more than cotton candy to draw crowds and keep crowds. The world therefore has no understanding of the true revelation of God who will ultimately judge all men. The Lord Jesus Christ has had a ‘guts full’ of the so-called Christian church in the West.
It is bad enough that the world lives totally ignoring God and the statutes in His word, but when the church chooses a similar path, then I despair. The devil has done a great job of completely comatosing the world to the realities of God, his attributes, God’s wrath, eternity, and the torments of hell, blinding them to even the possibility of an afterlife. And yet the devil’s crowning achievement is that he has managed to do the very same thing to the church. Happiness is now the truth. Don’t burden us with your old-time religion. But the renewed man is a pardoned man, a pardoned man is a holy man, and the holy man is a happy man. Happy is the man who hungers and thirsts after righteousness, for he will be filled (see Matt. 5:6).
Happiness is now the truth!
The cross is a testimony of God’s judgement on sin. So if I have no claim to the cross and the cross has no claim on me, then I must stand accountable for my sin, every sin, to somehow in God’s high court to defend and argue my own case.
The gospel in Jesus Christ is the dealing with God’s wrath against our sin. God’s anger, God’s justice, was dealt with on the cross. The Law demanded perfection. Break one law and you break them all. All we can do is give the law mental ascent. You know the law is right, but we must accept our utter failure to live up to its expectations. You must be born again, or ‘born from above’, the power of God in regeneration must be experienced in our lives, removing the guilt of sin, and taking away condemnation, it is a gift of God, not of works (Eph. 2 8, 9).
Would you go to court without taking a very good lawyer? Then why would you go to the supreme court of God on the day of judgement without sufficient defence? Would you even risk your verdict being read out as guilty? There is no retrial here, no parole, no double jeopardy, no cold case. All is open and revealed on that day. You need to come clothed, not naked, your name written down in the Lamb’s book of life, not coming with good deeds, expecting this will help, when no one has any merit before a holy God.
The thing that cuts me to the heart is so many people simply drift through this life, including professing Christians without the slightest thought, consideration or preparation for the next life.
Can avoidance be equated with prudence?
The whole world is now under God’s wrath, and those who follow God with their whole heart will come through this period refined and ready for the marriage supper of the Lamb without spot wrinkle or blemish.
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor and gather his wheat into the garner, but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire (Matt. 3:12).
The chaff includes those who have only a profession of faith.
When the church makes friends with the world, to impress them, welcome them, accept them, and to show them that Christians are just like them, then the church is in deep trouble. The Bible clearly says when we make friends with the world, then we are an enemy of God. Hillsong and others continually show themselves to be lovers of worldly things more than God. Hillsong in America is a sham. It’s a playhouse for people who want a form of spirituality without having to give up their sins.
God’s truth has so been distorted to suit modern Christians and their lust for sin. It is Satan’s perfect game plan. Hillsong prides itself on being able to reach the rich and famous and loves having all sorts of ungodly people in their midst to show how accepting, loving, kind, and amazing they are. But all they are doing is accepting and loving these people and flaunting them to the flock without disciplining them, leaving them to remain under the judgement of God.
Hillsong is still missing the mark, rejecting God’s word, which is evident by the way the ‘gay’ fiasco at Hillsong New York went down and the creeping compromise. The revelation has come out that a homosexual couple at Hillsong had been involved in their music ministry.1
It is important we recognise the need for purity and holiness and remaining in repentance, and forsaking our wicked ways. This is challenging, and yet the call of God to us is to repent and be ready.
The trouble with the Modern Laodicean Church of this last 50 years is that we are happy with the near enough; the close enough; the religion that looks, tastes, and smells like Christianity but is completely artificial; and holds to nothing of the genuine. But it suits our needs, and our wants. We are comfortable in our comfort, basking in our blindness, promoting our powerlessness, and being proud of our professionalism.
May I say, we are actually happy with the counterfeit!
Lance- I note that in your 3 part essay below – you set it so that no reply could be made. Therefore I will reply here:
Referring to post 1 –
1. No one disagrees that followers of Jesus are in a unique position of influence.
2.No one is arguing that we are not part of one larger body/community of believers.
3. Your argument about cultural preferences from Romans 14 omits the key point that those struggling with cultural preference issues displayed “weak faith” and Paul would further argue in Colossians 2:8-16 not to let anyone judge a believer based on observing cultural preferences or not.
4. If Paul was so concerned about those preferences – then why the anti – circumcision position? Have you ever read Galatians?! Don’t you see how Paul contends to not take our freedom and try to put it back under the law? Why should Taya give up her freedom? So that you aren’t offended by a haircut?! Absurd!
Moving on to your second post –
1. Where is your Agape love as you define it for Taya?
2. The raw arrogance to believe you KNOW what a Christian is supposed to physically look like -and then to impose that belief in a judgmental way is absurd.
3. Your assumption that because of dress and speech it is probable to assume someone has become godless – please explain to me how John the Baptist fit this narrative? David dancing in his Ephod?
Let me be clear – I see that you are attempting to create a narrative using scripture to defend the original article you posted. But it is indefensible.
You have NOT addressed the elephant in the room at all.
How/Why do you assume that Taya’s haircut “shows a lack of stability” ?
Why would you compare her to someone who has self proclaimed sexually deviant behavior – based on that haircut?
A haircut is not worldly compromise. It was wrong of you to infer that it is. It was judgmental of you to compare her to Miley Cyrus or whomever. It was unkind and unloving (Agape style) to write this hit piece on her – and use those pictures of other celebrities as click bait for this article. For this – you should repent.
And your last post quoting a book about Hillsong has no redeeming information – simply more judgmental wickedness.
Finally allow me to rephrase my earlier question to your point – do you genuinely believe Jesus will be concerned about Taya’s haircut on the day of judgment?
Again- I am certain he will care about – careless and judgmental words that we have spoken…just sayin…
Im a 33 year old mother and wife. I shaved my hair so I didnt have to heat style or dye my hair any longer. It grew into a short sophisticated hairstyle which I can just wash and leave to dry. This saved me plenty of time and money which I would rather spend on my family. I have also gained extra respect as I do not have strange men ‘admiring’ me inappropriately. I do not sit infront of a mirror worrying about my hair. I can stand in the rain, I can roll around with my kids, they can play with my hair, I dont worry about it. My daughter does not hear me talk about a bad hair day or get carted with to salons and my son experiences a mom who can get dirt in her hair while wrestling on the grass and not worrying about it. Caring too much about your outward appearance is vanity. Concern yourselves with inward issues. Dress neatly and appropriately, keep yourself clean. Serve God and others through him and forget the rest. Hair today is not seen as a covering for prayer, it is a sinful, tempting mane used to sell sex and distract men worldwide. Shave it off and get on with more important work. Taya is more beautiful than ever in her natural no pretense form. God’s pure vessel. May God walk with her through this trial.
Hair today is not seen as a covering for prayer, it is a sinful, tempting mane used to sell sex and distract men worldwide.
Hi Nicole,
So hair was never a lure and attraction to men in the past, as in Roman Times?
Lance, in absolutely nothing you have written, have I once heard the word “grace” and this is the essence of the gospel. PLEASE read Romans 8 and learn the definition! I am so done with this blog! I praise all of you who have attempted to guide this man back to the heart of God. Mike, I especially thank you. Your arguments have been Holy Spirit inspired! Lance, all of us who do know what grace is, will assuredly pray for you. None who are so deceived deserve damnation. Pray you find the way, the truth, and the life.
Dear upset people, Do any of your women pray without scarfs or head covers? Do you even know what those are? They look like what the “M” PEOPLE TIE #SHOCKED GASP. If you pray without scarfs, and that is the beginning of that chapter, why are you only concerned about the end? And using miley and Katie as poster children for short hair is really funny. There are places in Africa, where people who are really dedicated cut their hair, do not use jewelry (It is not modest) They do not wear trousers ( They are originally for men), etc. Now, do you think those people consider you truly born again? My bible tells me that they that work by the spirit ARE the sons of God. Unless the spirit of God has expressly instructed you to warn her of her sins and to convict her on his behalf, I do not think you should bring this terrible bitter, name calling attitude here… It stinks of something really unchristlike!.
May God keep us in the faith until the day he comes and may we be found faithful even unto the end
Selah!
Mike;
My reply:
1 – These points were put to Daniel M and so it seems you are happy to repeat the same concepts.
2. – The argument about cultural preferences and “weak faith” and Paul would further argue not to let anyone judge a believer based on observing cultural preferences or not, may seem valid, but whether I eat a piece of pork or go to church on a Saturday, is different from the hair of a woman, being cut short. It was not part of the cultural norm to have to evaluate and debate the length of a woman’s hair. But food offered to idols and certain days to be observed was.
The fourteenth chapter of the book of Romans is an intriguing piece of literature.
Often misunderstood, frequently abused. It confronts a variety of issues. The text arises because many converts to Christ were passing from one system (the Mosaic regime) to another (the Christian age).
Because of the diverse backgrounds, religious and cultural, on the part of both Jews and Gentiles, many problems arose that threatened the unity of the body of Christ.
However this does not mean that fundamental doctrinal truths may be pushed to the side. Christians must follow after things that make for peace; we must strive to build up one another, not the reverse (v. 19). All of this, of course, is to be accomplished in an atmosphere of loyalty to the truth.
The issue may be summed up in Paul’s words;
“I have the right to do anything,” you say–but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”–but not everything is constructive.” – 1 Cor 10:23 NIV
3. – If Paul was so concerned about those preferences – then why the anti-circumcision position? Have you ever read Galatians?! Don’t you see how Paul contends to not take our freedom and try to put it back under the law? Why should Taya give up her freedom? So that you aren’t offended by a haircut?! Absurd!
Answer:
You are linking circumcision which was a specific outward sign for the people of Israel, with cutting of a woman’s hair.
But Paul explained in Romans that;
“For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.” – Romans 2:28,29
This is not a cultural reference, but a covenant reference.
Circumcision was sign, that a Jew was a Jew and not a gentile, (incidentially a male jew), but it was a shadow, something that pointed to the future, where there was to be circumcision of the heart (Jer. 31:33) It was a sign of godliness (a reference to purity of heart). To try and work through your argument I am concluding you think Galatians is about legalism, that the argument is, I am wanting Taya to come back into some kind of bondage?
But the matter here is Paul is arguing that some additional religious observance does not makes us more right or approved of by God.
“Are ye so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?” – Gal 3:3
To argue that the choice of a woman to cut/shave her hair (to a number 2) is similar to circumcision is what is absurd.
Coming back to the reference in Romans 14.
So the question is, as alluded to in a previous reply;
Is Taya concerned that she is possibly offending me? Is Taya concerned or worried that she is could be offending a number of sincere people within the body of Christ? Is she even thinking that such a choice will be a matter of public scrutiny? Does Taya have the freedom to cut her hair short, or to any style for that matter? Are her choices not open to public comment? Do Christians who are after all in the public eye and who take on ‘celebrity status’, and are an ‘inspiration’ for young girls, take into consideration anything that may offend, confuse, or betray the Christian faith?
Agape Love
Where is your Agape love as you define it for Taya?
Answer:
Any people, probably even many Christians, think God’s love is unconditional. And insofar as God extends his love to all people without distinction, it is true. But many have bought into the sentimental notion of unconditional love evidenced in the old popular song, “Though it makes him sad to see the way we live, he’ll always say, ‘I forgive.’ ” This is fuzzy romanticism and cheap grace, not the good news of Jesus Christ.
A mother is having a test of wills with her two-year-old. The young boy wants to continue playing, but it is time for bath and bed. Mom has already given him a five-minute grace period. Now she insists he will do as she says. If the child could speak articulately, he might say, “If you really loved me, you’d let me do what I want.” As adults, we can identify with Mom here. She is expressing love, but is it unconditional? Yes, in the sense that she will love her son even if he disobeys. But no, in the sense that she is requiring conditions.
A harder case. Tim and Jane have been married for almost 20 years. But Jane has discovered that her husband has committed adultery, and Tim wants to continue the relationship. He also wants his wife to accept it and continue the marriage. What does real love mean for Jane in this situation? If she loves him unconditionally, won’t she accept her husband on his terms as an expression of her love? Or will genuine love require Jane to say, “It’s either me or her”? Authentic love requires conditions.
Love is sometimes conditional. We have this sentimental idea that God’s love is unconditional, but John 3:16-18 tells us otherwise. Yes it mentions love, but in the context of salvation. If Taya is still a non-Christian, then maybe I would accept your reasoning.
The bible tells us;
1 Corinthians 6:19-20 (ESV)
19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, 20 for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.
This means we are not FREE to do what we want. We have a new owner.
2. The raw arrogance to believe you KNOW what a Christian is supposed to physically look like – and then to impose that belief in a judgmental way is absurd.
Answer:Is it Absurd, or worth pointing out that the prevailing world culture that is creeping in and dominating the church? Does she not look somewhat similar to Miley and Katy?
3. Your assumption that because of dress and speech it is probable to assume someone has become godless –
Yes it is an indication.
John the Baptist wore clothes that was clothing worn by a prophet, which was in keeping with the role as prophet. His raiment of camel’s hair.—The dress was probably deliberately adopted by John the Baptist as reviving the outward appearance of Elijah, who was “a hairy man, and girt with a girdle of leather” (2Kings 1:8); and the “rough garment,” that had been characteristic of the prophet’s life even at a later period (Zechariah 13:4), as contrasted with the “long garments” of the Pharisees (Mark 12:38), and the “gorgeous apparel” of the scribes who attached themselves to the court of Herod (Luke 7:25).
David dancing in his Ephod? Was it the ephod or David dancing that caused the problem?
The ephod was an outer garment worn by the priests so again it was in keeping with the role David had in bringing back the ark of God. His priestly role of assisting the Israelites was therefore a privilege. He felt he could enjoy the occasion, wearing plain simple clothing of the priests, instead of his kingly robes, to rejoice before the Lord. There is nothing offensive here.
Let me be clear – I see that you are attempting to create a narrative using scripture to defend the original article you posted. But it is indefensible?
Answer:
I think so…
You have NOT addressed the elephant in the room at all.
It is an elephant, a ‘sacred cow’ or a strawman?
Thou Shalt Judge
When Jesus told us NOT to judge in the Matthew passage, he is clearly referring to hypocritical judgment. The immediate context (Matt. 7:1-5), and the whole context of Scripture makes this quite clear.
In the Bible there are numerous passages encouraging believers to judge, to test, to discern, to evaluate, to discriminate, and to differentiate.
Unfortunately we live in a world which shies away from all critique, and is trying to convince us that we must never judge anyone or anything.
A warped view of tolerance has infected the world, but sadly much of the church has been contaminated by this nonsense as well. On a regular basis believers are going around telling other believers how unbiblical and unspiritual it is to judge. The really ironic thing here of course is in so doing, these believers are being quite judgmental. They are quite happy to chew out and censure other believers for what they consider to be wrong and un-Christlike behaviour. What they are in fact doing in the process is strongly judging others!
I have had a number of fellow Christians berate me in quite strong terms about judging. They feel quite compelled to tell me how wrong it is to be judgmental. But they just can’t seem to make the connection here: they are full of criticism and judgment about me as they rebuke me for being critical and judgmental. Indeed, they are quite intent on rebuking me as they lecture me about how wrong it is to rebuke others.
The word judge simply means “to form an opinion about through careful weighing of evidence and testing of premises … to determine or pronounce after inquiry and deliberation”. That all sounds like pretty good stuff to me. Indeed, it is. And Scripture everywhere orders us to do these very things.
How/Why do you assume that Taya’s haircut “shows a lack of stability” ?
A quick Taya history lesson;
– She moved to Sydney in 2010 to further her ‘secular’ music career and ended up involved in Hillsong’s music team.
– Found herself in the recording studio recording ‘Oceans’ in 2013 and according to Joel Houston went crazy?
– Chose to wear a black T shirt on NBC Today show last year promoting Hillsong wearing this shirt which had ‘New World Order’ on it.
– This year she is now seen having her hair ‘shaved’ short, but it’s all good – right?
Why would you compare her to someone who has self-proclaimed sexually deviant behavior – based on that haircut?
Answer:
One woman wrote on her blog;
For some women shaving their head can be a source of breaking away from gender role constraints, or to show rebellion against society. For others is it a way to get attention or to explore their own identity.
The Old Testament law forbade priests from shaving their heads or beards (Leviticus 21:5). In the ancient Hebrew culture, men usually had long beards. In fact, it was considered a disgrace for an adult man not to have a beard (2 Samuel 10:4-5). Men taking the Nazarite vow were not to cut their hair until the vow was completed, at which time they were to shave their heads. However regarding women shaving, Scripture says that it is disgraceful for a woman to shave her head (1 Corinthians 11:5-6) and that her hair “is a glory to her” (v. 15 KJV).
I quote from the NT – 1 Cor 11:5-6 here:
5 but every wife32 who prays or gprophesies hwith her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same ias if her head were shaven. 6 For if a wife will not cover her head, then she should cut her hair short. But since it is disgraceful for a wife to cut off her hair or shave her head, let her cover her head.
In an academic article on the subject, Dr. Phillip Payne writes, “The article in ‘the shorn woman’ implies a recognized class of woman, probably the accused adulteress whose disgrace paralleled the symbolism of loose hair, since by it a woman places on herself the accusation of adultery. This allusion perfectly fits the ‘bitter water’ ordeal of letting down the hair of a suspected adulteress (Num. 5:11–31) and, if she is convicted, of cutting off her hair.… This custom is paralleled in non- Jewish customs cited by Tacitus (A. D. 98), Germania, 19; Aristophanes 3, 204–07; and Dio Chrysostom (A.D. 100), Discourses, 64.2–3.”
Worldly compromise. Why isn’t it?
It was wrong of you to infer that it is— Why?
Answer:
Mike this is the whole point of the article…..you are right she is not Miley Cyrus or Katy Perry (interestingly KP had a Christian upbringing and had early aspirations of becoming another Amy Grant), who has now gone into occult witchcraft in her music. But that’s another story. But note there is a possible connection. In other words we have a satanic agenda to pull people away from truth and moral uprightness.
It is always seen as judgmental to compare Taya to Miley Cyrus or whomever, but it’s done to stop the mindless compromise that is rife within Hillsong and churches like it.
And your last post quoting a book about Hillsong has no redeeming information – simply more judgmental wickedness. Of course the church is a gleaming light to the world!
Finally allow me to rephrase my earlier question to your point – do you genuinely believe Jesus will be concerned about Taya’s haircut on the day of judgment?
Answer:
Yes….she will account for it, as I will for my actions, this article, and any careless word, but your version of the truth must apply to all, not just some.
Speaking of words, Bobbie Houston’s wit to try and laugh off the criticism by saying ‘ found me a little skipper boy’ (about a girl) says it all.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. 🙂
What many people don’t realize is that uses his servants to point out the sins people have done (example: Nathan talking to David about Bathsheba). Sure, God could just do what he did to Paul and appear to him, but as it turns out, it isn’t always the preferable method.
So, it is servants like myself (and Lance), whom God uses to talk to people. I’m not saying that God doesn’t talk to people through appearances anymore, because he does, I’m just saying that is no longer common as it once was in the OT (and in the primitive church).
Thanks Daniel…but more importantly we have the Word of God.
*sigh
Lance
Your response is all over the place-, however you seem mostly sincere, so I will engage once more.
Let me make a few observations and comments:
1. You seem to have a vendetta against Hillsong. I am not an apologist for them, or for Taya… I don’t know them, and have no personal investment beyond that they are made up of humans that I believe Jesus loves…so I am unconcerned with whatever your personal issues with them are. However, I will point out it appears to have created a bias in you, and your approach to the scriptures.
2. Your original article states “I don’t judge but the word of God does….” However your subsequent comments seem to be an apologetic for your judgmental approach to Taya and Hillsong. At the very least your position is not consistent.
3. When attempting to explain the 14th Chapter of Romans – you imply “this does not mean fundamental doctrinal truths may be pushed aside.” Where then, can you tell me that a hair cut would violate a doctrinal truth?! If you can’t show me that, then what truth is she violating?!
4. You proof texted 1st Cor 6:19-20. This entire portion of the letter addresses sexual immorality – not physical appearance. If it was about physical appearance, anyone who was not in perfect physical shape could be called a terrible sinner… I imagine you know this, but felt it strengthened your argument to post a verse out of context… bad form
5. If we are going to talk about tolerance – let’s focus on heart issues, not external things…That is why I referred to the circumcision debate Paul had in Galatians. Look at Gal 3:25-28…
6. Your arguments for Taya’s stability, genuinely appear to come from an unstable person. I summarize: Before Hillsong she wanted to have a secular music career, someone said she “went crazy once”, she wore a black t shirt that you think had an offensive symbol, she cut her hair…. i don’t really have a comment for this nonsense
7. Your reference to an obscure blog about how shaving your head could imply some things – is unconvincing, and also proof texts 1 Cor 11. I have addressed the context of this portion of Paul’s letter in above comments.
8.I am also not sure why the academic article you reference seems to intentionally obscure the truth with a vague quote of Numbers 5:11-30. No where is a woman’s hair cut in that passage… to imply otherwise is a lie that is easily rebuffed….I really hope you have more than that to defend why you believe Taya is violating fundamental doctrine…
I would simply conclude by re-stating: Your original article was wrong to imply that a haircut meant a lack of stability and an endorsement of sexual deviance.. for that you I maintain you should repent.
Just saying…
First people before you judge someone else judge your self first and see if you are perfect , would you be saying the negativity to your friends or family if they did it . So if you know the Bible Judge your self before you judge someone else
You had to judge me in order to realize that I am “judging” someone else. And just because I’m saying “negative” stuff doesn’t mean I’m doing wrong (check out the book of Revelation, plenty of “negativity” in there). As it turns out, truth is negative. It reminds us of who we really are.
You see, I’m not the one doing the judging; God is. I am merely the one God used to point it out.
Daniel! Welcome back. I see you continue to play the victim card… “you’re judging me by telling me not to judge” *sigh… That is irrationally immature. Also, it is pretty convenient that you claim God uses you to point out negative things, even when your opinions do not align with scripture… perhaps we should address that fruit of self control you were so worried about earlier… maybe demonstrating some self control – like not playing the victim card when someone confronts your un-biblical position with actual scripture – in context, could lead to some actual maturity?! Your statement – “truth is negative” is absurd… Jesus IS truth… It is our response to the truth matters. For instance – I gave you truth from the scripture to confront your biased and judgmental nonsense – and your immaturity caused you to receive it negatively… see how that works? Just sayin….
“like not playing the victim card when someone confronts your un-biblical position with actual scripture – in context, could lead to some actual maturity?!”
That seems like a very mature thing to say.
” Your statement – “truth is negative” is absurd… Jesus IS truth…”
The thing about statements is that you actually have to state them for them to be statements. Jesus talked more about hell than any other person in the Bible. Truth is both negative and positive.
” For instance – I gave you truth from the scripture to confront your biased and judgmental nonsense – and your immaturity caused you to receive it negatively…”
Insulting people and provoking them to anger isn’t usually considered mature.
” I see you continue to play the victim card…”
As Lance stated, you continue to recycle the exact same concepts.
“sigh…”
How many times have you said this? Another example of recycling.
“I see you continue to play the victim card”
“your immaturity caused you to receive it negatively…”
“Your statement – “truth is negative” is absurd… Jesus IS truth…”
I seem to remember you saying something about sitting at a computer attacking people?
You assume the more mature position despite the fact that you are clearly attacking me and that I am praying for you to open your eyes.
Are you praying for me?
Daniel? Recycling is now your issue? Read the posts – how many times have you mentioned Revelation, or defended your right to judge, or misquoted scripture… your behavior on this board remains unchanged – so the arguments that point out your fallacy remain unchanged.
However if you need something new to ponder… and since you seem determine to make this personal…I will offer my personal observation of you: The way you keep stating that you are being attacked – while you keep doing all of the attacking… is called psychological projection. And with your statements that you are acting as Gods voice by judging someone you don’t know for getting a hair cut – then attacking anyone who points out the inconsistency of your arguments… – this actually resembles a condition called megalomania… So I will pray you get the help you seem to need.
When you reply with hateful rhetoric, and claim to have the moral authority to do so, based on scripture – you had better be prepared to defend those positions with more than ad hominem attacks…
Your position – if I understand your posts – is that it is your job/mandate/responsibility to judge and criticize a woman you do not know, for getting her hair cut, because you don’t believe God approves of short hair. You attempt to defend your position by proof texting 1 Cor 11 to judge anyone who does get a haircut and call them a worldy conformist based on Rom 12:2.
I have pointed out time and time again that you are not interpreting/applying those scriptures within the context they are given – and that you have no moral authority for your statements against her (or any woman that cuts her hair) based on the word of God.
When someone tells you the truth – over and over, it’s not to attack you, or even offend you. It’s to correct you. Or to defend others from your deception(s)… If you take that as negative… well at least that fits your paradigm of truth… just sayin
That last part at the end, where I said “are you praying for me?” was actually a test. For Jesus said that you shall people by their fruit, and the fruit you have been showing me isn’t very loving. So are you actually praying for me is the question? Or better yet, are you praying for me as a Pharisee.
I also noticed you used the word “pray” as a synonym of hope, probably to give me the impression that you are praying when you possibly aren’t.
You can’t misquote scripture if you give it context, and I gave you the surrounding verses for its context. I mentioned Revelation two times, hardly the recycling you have been doing.
“When someone tells you the truth – over and over, it’s not to attack you, or even offend you. It’s to correct you.”
Is that why you said:
“However if you need something new to ponder… and since you seem determine to make this personal…”
You see, you incorrectly view me; after all you only have my words to build up my persona. I never felt angry or attacked. That is merely how you viewed it.
“Your position – if I understand your posts – is that it is your job/mandate/responsibility to judge and criticize a woman you do not know”
Find the statement where I said I have to criticize women I don’t know. And if it matters, you don’t exactly know me either.
You know, the whole theme of this website is about the endtimes; so maybe I’ll talk about Revelation once more. In the book of Revelation, it says that in the end times they shall the good, bad, and the bad, good. In the last two hundred years, that is exactly what has been happening.
You see, I don’t know her (or her heart), but God does. And since you obviously didn’t catch it the first time, I am just the instrument which God uses.
Now, I know what you could be saying; she could just read the Bible and find this all out for herself. One really interesting thing about Taya is that she wasn’t exactly Christian when she arrived to Hillsong United. And if you haven’t noticed, the rest of Hillsong United isn’t a shining example of “Good” Christians.
So, I doubt these people read about these subjects for fear of making people leave their churches. Or, the more evil possibility, they aren’t Christians at all (or anymore at least) and are just doing the Hillsong church/band gig for money.
Getting back to Revelation, in the last 200 years beliefs have been changing. Just like the book said they would. And an important belief is that women should look like women and men like men. Not the other way around. Cause that’s the way God designed us. Now, if Taya underwent “surgery” and modified the hormones in her body so she appeared to be male, I’m sure there would be lots of backfire. And I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s her plan for someday.
I am not hating her for cutting her hair, for I hate no one. I am pointing out that she is trying to look like a male, and clearly is not happy with how God designed her.
“I am just the instrument which God uses” – Classic megalomania…
“I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s her plan” – judgmental assumption used to justify hateful rhetoric
“I am pointing out that she is trying to look like a male” – subjective and ethnocentric. Not every culture views hair length the same way. Short hair does not occur naturally in men – they must cut it. The bible does not condemn women for cutting their hair. Only you have done that.
“Clearly is not happy with how God designed her” – a haircut is your evidence for this?! Clearly?! This is an irresponsible statement, and you cannot justify taking this position. You have no evidence of this. Clearly.
I’m very familiar with Revelation- you have referenced it time and time again without ever quoting it… so I am not sure what point you are trying to make.
Finally, in the spirit of Recycling –
Lance Goodall’s original article implies several cruel and wicked comparisons between Taya and other secular artist. He has no evidence beyond a haircut to make those implications, and therefore should repent and acknowledge what he did was wrong. A mean spirited attempt to slander, while gaining ‘clicks’ by feeding into an irrational and un-biblical bias that many on this site seem to hold towards either Taya, Hillsong, or women in general. It was wrong.
Daniel and anyone else attempting to defend this position – understand that when Jesus saw a woman who was actually caught in sin (as opposed to a haircut)- his first concern was to challenge which of the accusers bore no sin – If you feel empowered as “God’s instrument” for condemnation and judgement you probably have missed the heart of Jesus…. Just sayin…
““I am just the instrument which God uses” – Classic megalomania…” I’m guess God doesn’t use instruments ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. I’m also pretty sure that was an of megalomania.
“Lance Goodall’s original article implies several cruel and wicked comparisons between Taya and other secular artist. He has no evidence beyond a haircut to make those implications, and therefore should repent and acknowledge what he did was wrong”
Actually, he does have evidence. It’s on this thing called the “internet.” I’ve seen it, but you can find it out for yourself so you can’t say it’s “out of context”
“Daniel and anyone else attempting to defend this position – understand that when Jesus saw a woman who was actually caught in sin (as opposed to a haircut)- his first concern was to challenge which of the accusers bore no sin – If you feel empowered as “God’s instrument” for condemnation and judgement you probably have missed the heart of Jesus….”
Having an affair with someone you shouldn’t doesn’t go entirely against God’s design for man and woman. It’s wrong, but men and women were designed to be with each other and not the same sex. Dressing and looking like the other sex on the other hand….. And, I am not punishing her, I am pointing out what she has done. The Pharisees brought her to Jesus, and then they asked who should throw the first stone. I haven’t deemed any punishments, I have only pointed out the flaws.
““Clearly is not happy with how God designed her” – a haircut is your evidence for this?! Clearly?!”
You clearly have never seen her in the press, facebook, or other media sources like I have. I never said a haircut was my evidence for this, it’s a drop of water in the bucket. She has done other things.
““I am pointing out that she is trying to look like a male” – subjective and ethnocentric. Not every culture views hair length the same way. Short hair does not occur naturally in men – they must cut it. The bible does not condemn women for cutting their hair. Only you have done that.”
Short hair does not occur naturally in women either. The Bible says to cut it, the Bible also says it is an abomination for mens hair to get long. Every culture might not view hair length the same way, but up until the last few hundred years every culture saw men and women and what defined them similarly. how you view males is only subjective if you don’t believe in the Bible. The Bible shows us how to view sacred things like this.
You are condemning me for point out all this. Then you say I can receive how ever I want, essentially saying you are not condemning but are viewed like that. That is very subjective. So, either we are both condemning or neither one is.
Hillsong United stopped being Christian a long time ago, if you don’t believe this just check out their church.
I also noticed you brushed off the part about prayer.
Just sayin…….
Daniel-
I’m assuming you are male – let me ask you this- have you clipped your beard? Lev 21, 2 Sam 10
Do you have kids? Do you think a child should be stoned to death for being rebellious? Duet 21:18-21
( I could go on and on here – but you certainly don’t want to dive into a mosaic law debate – lets just agree that your argument for God’s design is based on selectively choosing verses from the OT law – and mixing them with one proof texted passage from 1 Cor)
Your arguments that the bible defines how every culture has viewed gender is absurd. There are certainly cultures today that have still never seen a bible… once again – you make cultural assumptions from an incredibly ethnocentric perspective. Short hair is NOT always considered masculine. In fact some cultures view short hair as a sign of modesty and humility…
But here is where you have totally jumped the shark-
You just stated – That having an affair was “not entirely against God’s design for man and woman” WOW- I’m sorry I cannot take you seriously beyond that point… you are more concerned with a haircut then actual sexual sin…
This best illustrates my point – To berate someone for outward appearance – and excuse actual sinful behavior and rebellion as “how we are designed” is why you and I cannot find common ground.
Just saying…
“I’m assuming you are male – let me ask you this- have you clipped your beard?”
You do realize that some people have genes in which they do not grow much facial hair at all right? Me (and quite a few other people I know) NEVER have to shave.
“”You just stated – That having an affair was “not entirely against God’s design for man and woman””
Here you are misreading me again. I said a woman having sex with a man is not entirely against God’s design. Quit jumping to conclusions just so you can use words against people.
“There are certainly cultures today that have still never seen a bible… ”
They don’t have to see a Bible, they just have to know about Jesus. Hence the stories of tribes deep in the Amazon having visions of Jesus.
What you don’t realize is that the outside of people shows what deep inside someone’s heart. Men in drag (and women doing the same thing) shows what’s deep inside someone’s heart.
Some years ago, I had a pastor visit my church. He told his testimony that a decade or two back, he would go around dressing, acting, looking like a woman. He would hang around nightclubs, and you can guess what else he would do. He was rotting on the inside, hoping that one day, these things he did would fill him. Acting like a women is what he thought would “satisfy” him. He hoped that eventually, it would really fill him, versus things that make you feel great for a short period of time.
He kept up with his routine until one day, a man told him to go with him to his apartment. And on the drive there, the man realized that this was no woman. He pulled out a knife/gun (can’t remember which of the two it was). When all of a sudden, someone opened the door and grabbed (the future pastor) him and let him fall on the road.
He survived the fall from a car driving at 70 mph with minor (non important) injuries. He realized that it was an angel that pulled him out. Right then and there, he asked God for forgiveness and told God he would no longer act,dress, look like a woman. Days later, he found at that at the exact time, in the middle of the night, his mother woke up and began praying for him to change.
Now I see him, with his wife, and children, I see a changed man. It is because of people like him I respect and defend the lines for Man and Woman which God drew in the beginning.
Criticize the story all you want, but you cannot deny that mess he got himself into because he was not acting, dressing, like a man.
So, being the son, grandson, great-grandson, great-great-grandson, and cousin of pastors, I have heard countless stories such as these; they are one of the many reasons I stand up for what I believe.
These testimonies remind me of how dark, how empty the human heart can get. They remind me of what big consequences small decisions can have upon us and others.
I will continue to pray for you regardless of how you respond, and hope you take into consideration what I have said the same way I have taken what you said.
Daniel-
I wonder why a haircut has triggered such a visceral response from you? None of your previous comment was rooted in scripture.. I am sure there are many that have a testimony of being redeemed from aberrant behavior. That is not the debate here. God is in the redemption business! (So I know there is hope for all of us)
The debate is whether a Christian woman should be able to cut her hair. The secondary argument is whether Lance was justified in associating Taya with the sexually deviant behavior of secular artist.
I have argued from scripture that a hair cut is a non issue. That your cultural expectation of long hair, is simply preference and no moral deviance should be associated based solely on a hair cut. Properly exegeting 1st Cor 11 – will help you to overcome your bias.
Many church traditions have changed over time – and not all were for the worse. I am thankful that we allow instruments in church for instance… It is important that we do not confuse church tradition, or cultural preference with God’s word. It is also important that when we use scripture to confront another believer – that we actually understand what the scripture says.
When it comes to a woman’s hair length -it is a bias… it is no where denoted in scripture that a woman MUST have long hair….
Secondly I have argued that Lance’s original article was slanderous click-bait. That since he did not present the truth (in love or otherwise) he should repent. I maintain that position.
Finally – I do pray, for yourself or anyone who reads this comment stream – that they handle the Word of God with respect, in context, and that they remember that even if they speak in tongues of angels – if their articles/comments/speech is not rooted in love- they are just a clanging cymbal.
Just sayin…
“Daniel-
I wonder why a haircut has triggered such a visceral response from you? None of your previous comment was rooted in scripture. I am sure there are many that have a testimony of being redeemed from aberrant behavior. That is not the debate here. God is in the redemption business! (So I know there is hope for all of us)”
A woman getting a haircut is the same as a man dressing in drag, or (dare I say it) someone getting a sex change operation.
“Secondly I have argued that Lance’s original article was slanderous click-bait. ”
Since Lance is ovbiously making a killing off this website and lives in a mansion because of it.
” Properly exegeting 1st Cor 11 – will help you to overcome your bias.”
In this context, bias is when you expect to find something before you look throught the evidence, knowledge, etc. I was once in your position of belief, something happened to me. Changed many things; many beliefs I had. I do not believe this because I expected to find these beliefs (bias), but rather because the beliefs changed me (interpreting the knowledge with no expectations of what to find).
I might be American, but my ancestors weren’t. I find it amusing that you are trying to convince me that I am being ethnocentric, where in my culture, things are radically different from here in America. If anything, I should be the one trying to convince the other of ethnocentricity.
I also find it interesting that you said that reading 1st Corinthians would overcome my bias, despite the fact that it clearly says in verses 4-7:
4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
Now, it is important that the only perfect Bible is the original version in Hebrew (OT) and Greek (NT). I do not know Greek, but I do know something close; Spanish. (Spanish is higher up in the same language family that English is in, it is called Hindi) So, I went and checked the verse; this time in Spanish. Here it is again (please excuse my lack of accents marks):
1st Cor 6:
Porque si la mujer no se cubre, que se corte tambien el cabello; y si le es vergonzoso a la mujer cortase el cabello o raparse, que se cubra.
That part where it says “que se corte tambien el cabello” leads us to believe one of two things; God says not to decapitate yourselves or not to cut your hair.
It’s important that we build our doctrines from the original Bible (Greek, Hebrew, and Aramic for the book of Daniel), and not tranlations that might contain small (but powerful errors). Now, I’m not saying that transaltions are of the devil, but rather that they were not inspired by God. Because if they were, that would’t be a translation but another Bible. And that is dangerous.
The Spanish version of this verse (and surrounding verses) are a little more clear. And if you assume my position, the two verses are harmonious instead of conflicting. I can also check my position with modern Greek which (arguably) is closer to the original Greek than Spanish, but I don’t feel the need for it as others have already done that for me.
I think its important that we don’t take the “it makes sense” approach to Bible translation. The consequences are small when it comes to Google translate because people only depend on it for business, school, etc. But the Bible is an entirely different game. Making sense is not good enough, it also needs to say precisely the same as the original.
Getting back to the subject on hand, the Bible says what it means right there. It might not be very clear in English, but it is as black and white in other languages.
Also
“Secondly I have argued that Lance’s original article was slanderous click-bait. That since he did not present the truth (in love or otherwise) he should repent. I maintain that position.”
You do realize that slanderous means false AND malicious, correct? You are essentially saying that Lance knows he is wrong but created this article in an attempt to misguide God’s sheep; something God says people will be judged harshly for at the end of all things.
Always assuming ignorance before malice is a helpful tip for life if it matters.
“Finally – I do pray, for yourself or anyone who reads this comment stream – that they handle the Word of God with respect, in context, and that they remember that even if they speak in tongues of angels – if their articles/comments/speech is not rooted in love- they are just a clanging cymbal.
Just sayin…”
Is the “Just sayin” a signature or is it supposed to be sarcastic? Because on the internet you’re supposed to put a “/s” after it. And if it isn’t saracasm, it definitely appears that way; making the previous statment appear the same way.
Just remember consider the fact that, the same way you view people might be the same way they view you; regardless of their postion.
Praying for you and God Bless
-Daniel
This article would seem to indicate that the issue is quite topical…
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-07/christian-conference-speaker-tells-women-grow-hair-long/8595932
Daniel –
It seems you are genuinely attempting to engage me on this subject – which is why I continue to reply to your posts.
Allow me to try and help clarify a few things…
You said: “A woman getting a haircut is the same as a man dressing in drag, or (dare I say it) someone getting a sex change operation.”
Let me be clear: That statement is not only factually absurd, it is not biblical, and it is cruel. It reveals a misogynistic approach to people that is completely unfounded. If this is truly your belief – then I urge you to repent – you are confusing bias and preference with Gods will.
Secondly – We all share ancestors from different cultures. While I speak some Spanish – I will refrain from debating the scriptures in Spanish. It is poor hermenuetics to argue biblical content in any language besides Koinonia Greek, ancient Hebrew, and some Aramaic… so I will kindly refuse to engage with your Spanish bible.
When you exegete the scriptures it is ALWAYS wise to consider context. What the author intended, why he wrote/replied. The audience (in this case the church at Corinth) What prompted this letter. What prompted this text. (The cultural issues that the church in Corinth was facing). This passage is MUCH easier to understand if you study it in context. However, I know you have a hard time with extra biblical sources – so I will exegete for you “sola scriptura”
Let’s agree that Paul does not write in chapter and verse… so the surrounding texts of 1Cor 10 and 1 Cor 12 are relevant in helping us understand Pauls point.
1 Cor 11:1
Mimeetaí mou gínesthe kathoós kagoó Christoú
Roughly – “Followers of me – be you – even as – I also – am of Christ” (follow me as I follow Christ)
Paul is referring to the end of 1 Cor 10 – when he address dietary restrictions and freedoms – He is saying that though he is free to eat what he wants – he sometimes restrains himself if someone else has a problem. That is a good model to follow. But in 1 Cor 10:30 he is clear that grace allows him to eat whatever he wants without being blasphemed , as long as he gives thanks…
1 Cor 11:2
Epainoó dé humás hóti pánta mou mémneesthe kaí kathoós parédooka humín tás paradóseis katéchete
“I praise now you bretheren that in all things me remember as I delivered them to you, the traditions, keep.”
Paul is stating- He wants to give credit to the Corinthians for keeping the paradóseis (traditions) that he passed on to them. Note – these are not laws. They were traditions. Paul is glad they adopted them However he just finished stating in Chapter 10- he is free to break traditions because of grace. But he observes them when someone who is weaker has a problem.
1 Cor 11:3
3 Théloo dé humás eidénai hóti pantós andrós hee kefaleé ho Christós estin kefaleé dé gunaikós ho aneér kefaleé dé toú Christoú ho Theós
“I would have you know that every man has Christ as his head as the head of every wife is the husband. And the head of Christ is God.”
Paul is now dealing with authority in men and women relationships. There is room to translate the greek as either men and women or husbands and wives. the term gunaikós almost ALWAYS means wife. So there is actually a lot of room here to say Paul is addressing husbands and wives. Either way – biblical headship always starts with submission to God.
1 Cor 11:4
4 Pás aneér proseuchómenos eé profeeteúoon katá kefaleés échoon kataischúnei teén kefaleén autoú
“Any man supplicating(praying) or excercising the office of prophet, covering his head, has dishonoured his head.”
Here Paul is speaking directly to men/husbands in a gathering (such as in a home for church) leading a corporate prayer moment or operating withing the specific gift of prophet – this man does not give proper honor to his head.
1 Cor 11:5
5 Pása dé guneé proseuchoménee eé profeeteúousa akatakalúptoo teé kefaleé kataischúnei teén kefaleén auteés hén gár estin kaí tó autó teé exureeménee
“But every wife (possibly woman) that prays (in a service) or operates under the office of prophet (at a church service) uncovered with her head (nothing about hair length – this is about the traditional wrap) dishonours her head. It is the same as if she were shaven.”
So Paul states- that IN A CHURCH setting – Public prayer and the office of Prophet are both accessible to wives – however out of respect to their husbands – they should cover their head at this point. Paul has established that her husband is her head. So she is NOT dishonoring her literal skull – she is dishonoring her HUSBAND as her head – if she leads corporate prayer – or prophetically speaks at church – if she IS married but not wearing the outer sign of the fact that she is married. This establishes for those that see her – that she is under someones authority. (namely her husbands).
If you read this text in the original koinonia greek – it makes sense what Paul is articulating.
1 Cor 11:6
6 Ei gár ou katakalúptetai guneé kaí keirásthoo ei dé aischrón gunaikí tó keírasthai eé xurásthai katakaluptésthoo
“For if she is not covered the woman also can be shaved, but IF (PLEASE DO NOT MISS THE WORD IF!!!!) it is a shame for the woman to be shorn of shaved, let her be covered.”
OK! Here is the verse – IN CONTEXT – SOLO SCRIPTURA, in the Original Greek!
What does it ACTUALLY SAY?!
It says – if she is not covered – she might as well be shaved. But IF it is shameful for her to be shaved, then let her be covered.
NOT that it is shameful to be shaved. Only that IF it is- then it is better to cover her. Again this is with a wrap – NOT with her hair. And the message is almost CERTAINLY speaking to wives. Not all women!
I could keep going through the entire passage if you need me to – but it is tedious. And if you are not open to actually learning what the scripture says – then it will be unfruitful.
Let me just point out that verse 16 – Paul concludes this thought
1 Cor 11:16
16 Ei dé tis dokeí filóneikos eínai heemeís toiaúteen suneétheian ouk échomen oudé hai ekkleesíai toú Theoú
“But if any person supposes to dispute this, we have no such custom and neither does assembly of believers in God.”
Verse 16 is SOOOO CLEAR! He says – If you are disputing the CUSTOM – don’t worry there is NO SUCH CUSTOM in the church!
Paul is talking to a church that is trying to figure out what customs it wants to use in order to have orderly worship services in their culture.
In chapter 10 he stresses that freedom and grace allow him to eat/do things with complete freedom- but that often times other peoples cultures cannot handle his freedom so he honors their culture.
Then in chapter 11 he says he is glad that they have adopted some of his culture. And that he prefers it when wives wear a head covering when leading church prayer and prophesying so that it shows him that the wife is under the authority of her husband to be leading such activities in the assembly of believers.
He goes on to say that IF – (PLEASE I AM BEGGING YOU- DO NOT IGNORE THE WORD “IF” IN VERSE 6) he says IF it is a shame in your custom for the woman to be uncovered – then she should go ahead and get a covering…
Finally in verse 16 he says – if anyone wants to argue this point – it is NOT a custom of the followers of God.
OK –
So I know I have written a large manuscript- So I will end with this:
Properly exegete the scriptures in their original language – and you will see that I am speaking the truth.
Finally –
Because of the scriptures DO NOT support attacking a human being/follower of Jesus for having her hair cut –
Anyone who has done that, needs to repent. That remains true for Lance , and because of your earlier comment is now true for you as well Daniel.
I pray the authentic Word of God transforms your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus and that genuine repentance leads to genuine change.
Just sayin…
The problem with your argument is that you are not actually translating the scripture. English is more evolved than Spanish, thus making Spanish close with the original tongues. I should call it a de-volution because English just a few centuries ago is far richer than our modern English.
“Properly exegete the scriptures in their original language – and you will see that I am speaking the truth.”
I am sure you do not speak the original language, thus making yourself dependent on one who is.
That is one of the reasons why there are so many Bible translations in English; people decided that the translator made a deal of changes to the translation do to their doctrinal beliefs so the translation would reflect that. So, the earlier the translation, the higher the percentage of it being closer to the original.
Getting back to the matter at hand, you are essentially depending on someone to make the decisions for you because you don’t understand the original tongue. While this isn’t always a bad thing, if the translator makes an error the reader will make the same one.
Getting back to the verse, why would the Bible say for woman not to cut their hair but say men shouldn’t let their hair grow? Many people neglect this because many people believe that Jesus had long hair.
This was based on a wrap supposedly placed on Jesus after his death. The wrap contained the stains of the oils usually put on a dead person according to jewish traditions. But this wrap wasn’t found until years after Jesus ascended. So the credibility is doubtable.
For many years many people said nothing about the men walking around with long hair because most people assumed that Jesus had long hair. (The only hair that Jews don’t cut is the side burns).
You criticized this article for comparing Taya to Katy Perry. It is interesting to note that Katy began as small town singer in her church (reasonable, as her parents are the pastors). Now, in order to condemn the comparing of Taya to Katy you had to assume that Katy is no Christian. Now, I assume that you are not going to convince me that Katy is Christian because her latest charades lead us to believe that she is in fact possessed.
Be careful who you’re defending, Hillsong United hasn’t been Christian for a long time and last year only affirms this:
http://goo.gl/IYNKiV
Jesus said that a fountain can not give two different waters, he also said that you can’t serve two different masters. Taya was singing in secular music before she came to Hillsong. And the fact that Hillsong hired her as a youth leader despite also being a secular singer says something about the church.
Now, before we go on any further, let me ask you; are these really the kind of people you want to defend? Are these really the kind of people that we should emulate?
I listened to Hillsong in the early 2000s, but with the advances in the internet we now have social media like facebook and twitter.
These services have allowed me to see who Hillsong and Hillsong United really are. It is the closest thing to being face to face with them.
Keep this in consideration when you try to defend them again. I also would advise reading up on Hillsong’s history; I have poured countless hours into reading it myself.
*Sigh
Daniel-
I gave you the text – in the Greek (i used the English alphabet for your benefit) if you like we could discuss it like this:
1 Cor 11:6
εἰ γὰρ οὐ κατακαλύπτεται γυνή καὶ κειράσθω εἰ δὲ αἰσχρὸν γυναικὶ τὸ κείρασθαι ἢ ξυρᾶσθαι κατακαλυπτέσθω
I have studied Greek – and I do understand what I am posting… for you to imply otherwise is ignorant – especially when I gave you verse by verse exegesis…(basically you cannot understand the Greek so you assume no one can)
If you reject the original language – exegeted “Sola Scriptura” – then have chosen to remain in your bias, not even open to allowing the Word of God to address your opinion… that type of self deception saddens me….
Let me address the bias on this thread and in this article. The bias is that Lance – yourself, and others maintain seems to be that Hillsong and Taya are wicked and therefore everything they do / produce is also wicked. Since you begin with that presupposition – you search the scriptures to strengthen your argument.
Let me again be clear – I am NOT an apologist for Hillsong or Taya. I have no investment in them whatsoever. I don’t feel the need to defend them or their behaviors. I genuinely don’t have an opinion about them one way or the other- EXCEPT that if you are going to condemn a professed believer – ANY professed believer, and utilize the scriptures to do so -the burden is on YOU to use the scriptures honestly, accurately, and in context.
The comments from 1 Cor 11 are OUT OF CONTEXT and if you took an honest look at the passage (including the end of 1 Cor 10) you would see that your arguments about gender identity, based on hair cuts for women are not biblical mandates.
Again – your comment “A woman getting a haircut is the same as a man dressing in drag, or (dare I say it) someone getting a sex change operation.” – is WICKED and UNTRUE. It is an attack on women (not just Taya) and a gross distortion of the Word of God. For this you should repent. Admit your bias is not biblical – and seek to realign your heart and mind with the God’s Word.
That is why I have argued so aggressively -NOT to protect Hillsong or Taya.
So you ask me the type of people I want to defend? I would defend anyone who is being lambasted by professed believers with proof texted (out of context) scriptures…especially in order to gain article clicks – (Here’s looking at you Lance).
I would defend any child of the creator – who felt the heavy yoke of legalism and cultural preference would keep them from knowing the heart of their Heavenly Father towards them. I would also defend the actual – Scriptures – which I believe are inspired and should not be ripped out of context in order to further a wicked earthly agenda.
Finally Daniel – you ignored the actual content of the biblical text in your reply. Instead you replied with ad hominen attacks – attacking me for translating the scripture, attacking hillsong for being bad, Taya for being bad.. etc..
This demonstrates that you are unwilling to look at the scripture as your source of truth. Instead you are being led by your bias. Please consider returning to the Word for your absolutes, and relegating every other position to your opinions.
If you do not make an argument from scripture -I will not engage with you further. Based on :
2 Tim 2:23-26
23 Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24 And the Lord’s servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25 Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26 and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.
I am not resentful and will hope that God will grant yourself and Lance repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth.
Just Sayin…
Such ignorant comments..making me laugh. ha. Who are you to judge a person by their haircut, what they wear, and why they moved to pursue a secular music career? You don’t even know them personally, you don’t know their heart, and most importantly, you’re looking at the bad, NOT the good. So, stop seeing the bad in people. Yes, there’s scripture that says some of these things are a sin, but it’s BEEN FINISHED. Jesus already took up the cross. NO SIN IS TOO BIG. So to all those people judging Taya and Hillsong, overlook it. At the end of the day, you’re not the one living with the decision, they are. MOST IMPORTANTLY, that’s just what we’re seeing, what we don’t know is their OWN PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. That should be more important than some haircut. God doesn’t look at our appearances, He looks at our heart. If Taya wanted to cut her hair to be true to herself, then awesome! You do you, Taya! If you actually follow Taya and see her posts, you only see her responding with love…So keep on judging people since that’s what you do best, while Taya keeps bringing hearts to Jesus like she does best.
I hate to break it to you pal, but there is a sin so big God cannot forgive it. But only one. It is the blasphemy of the Holy spirit. but that is another story for another day.
The thing is, if you are in a relationship with God, your life should reflect it. You should appear changed.
By the way, it must be very hard to laugh at comments and yell at the same time.
To Mike and Daniel,
I re-enter the conversation.
Mike please note verse 16 in particular from various commentators throughout the last few hundred years, but note the comments in particular of David Guzik, who suggests that Paul’s admonishment has no bearing on culture.
Head Covering – A Biblical Mandate
1 Corinthians 11
Adam Clarke
verse 4
Praying, or prophesying – Any person who engages in public acts in the worship of God, whether prayer, singing, or exhortation: for we learn, from the apostle himself, that προφητευειν, to prophesy, signifies to speak unto men to edification, exhortation, and comfort, 1 Corinthians 14:3. And this comprehends all that we understand by exhortation, or even preaching.
Having his head covered – With his cap or turban on, dishonours his head; because the head being covered was a sign of subjection; and while he was employed in the public ministration of the word, he was to be considered as a representative of Christ, and on this account his being veiled or covered would be improper. This decision of the apostle was in point blank hostility to the canons of the Jews; for they would not suffer a man to pray unless he was veiled, for which they gave this reason. “He should veil himself to show that he is ashamed before God, and unworthy with open face to behold him.” See much in Lightfoot on this point.
Verse 5
Whatever may be the meaning of praying and prophesying, in respect to the man, they have precisely the same meaning in respect to the woman.
The only difference marked by the apostle was, the man had his head uncovered, because he was the representative of Christ; the woman had hers covered, because she was placed by the order of God in a state of subjection to the man, and because it was a custom, both among the Greeks and Romans, and among the Jews an express law, that no woman should be seen abroad without a veil.
This was, and is, a common custom through all the east, and none but public prostitutes go without veils. And if a woman should appear in public without a veil, she would dishonour her head – her husband. And she must appear like to those women who had their hair shorn off as the punishment of whoredom, or adultery.
This part is most striking;
Tacitus informs us, Germ. 19, that, considering the greatness of the population, adulteries were very rare among the Germans; and when any woman was found guilty she was punished in the following way: accisis crinibus, nudatam coram propinquis expellit domo maritus; “having cut off her hair, and stripped her before her relatives, her husband turned her out of doors.” And we know that the woman suspected of adultery was ordered by the law of Moses to be stripped of her veil, Numbers 5:18.
Women reduced to a state of servitude, or slavery, had their hair cut off: so we learn from Achilles Tatius. Clitophon says, concerning Leucippe, who was reduced to a state of slavery: πεπραται, δεδουλευκεν, γην εσκαψεν, σεσυληται της κεφαλης το καλλος, την κουραν ὁρᾳς· lib. viii. cap. 6, “she was sold for a slave, she dug in the ground, and her hair being shorn off, her head was deprived of its ornament,” etc.
It was also the custom among the Greeks to cut off their hair in time of mourning. See Euripides in Alcest., ver. 426. Admetus, ordering a common mourning for his wife Alcestis, says: πενθος γυναικος της δε κοινουσθαι λεγω, κουρᾳ ξυρηκει και μελαμπεπλῳ στολῃ· “I order a general mourning for this woman! let the hair be shorn off, and a black garment put on.”
Propriety and decency of conduct are the points which the apostle seems to have more especially in view. As a woman who dresses loosely or fantastically, even in the present day, is considered a disgrace to her husband, because suspected to be not very sound in her morals; so in those ancient times, a woman appearing without a veil would be considered in the same light.
Verse 6
For if the woman be not covered – If she will not wear a veil in the public assemblies, let her be shorn – let her carry a public badge of infamy: but if it be a shame – if to be shorn or shaven would appear, as it must, a badge of infamy, then let her be covered – let her by all means wear a veil.
Even in mourning it was considered disgraceful to be obliged to shear off the hair; and lest they should lose this ornament of their heads, the women contrived to evade the custom, by cutting off the ends of it only. Euripides, in Orest., ver. 128, speaking of Helen, who should have shaved her head on account of the death of her sister Clytemnestra, says: ειδετε παρ ‘ακρας ὡς απεθρισεν τριχας, σωζουσα καλλος, εστι δε ἡ παλαι γυνη : “see how she cuts off only the very points of her hair, that she may preserve her beauty, and is just the same woman as before.” See the note on 1 Corinthians 11:5.
In Hindostan a woman cuts off her hair at the death of her husband, as a token of widowhood; but this is never performed by a married woman, whose hair is considered an essential ornament. The veil of the Hindoo women is nothing more than the garment brought over the face, which is always very carefully done by the higher classes of women when they appear in the streets. – Ward’s Customs.
Verse 7
But the woman is the glory of the man – As the man is, among the creatures, the representative of the glory and perfections of God, so that the fear of him and the dread of him are on every beast of the field, etc.; so the woman is, in the house and family, the representative of the power and authority of the man. I believe this to be the meaning of the apostle; and that he is speaking here principally concerning power and authority, and skill to use them. It is certainly not the moral image of God, nor his celestial glory, of which he speaks in this verse.
Verse 8
His meaning is, that the man does not belong to the woman, as if she was the principal; but the woman belongs to the man in that view.
Verse 10
For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels –
Bishop Pearce, have written best on the subject, in which they allow that there are many difficulties.
That the original should be read, Wherefore the woman ought to have A power upon her head, that is, the power of the husband over the wife; the word power standing for the sign or token of that power which was a covering or veil.
Theophylact explains the word, το του εξουσιαζεσθαι συμβολον, τουτεστι, το καλυμμα, “the symbol of being under power, that is, a veil, or covering.” And Photius explains it thus: της υποταγης συμβολον το επι της κεφαλης καλυμμα φερειν ; to wear a veil on the head is a symbol of subjection. It is no unusual thing, in the Old and New Testament, for the signs and tokens of things to be called by the names of the things themselves, for thus circumcision is called the covenant, in Genesis 17:10, Genesis 17:13, though it was only the sign of it.
On the whole, the bishop’s sense of the passage and paraphrase stands thus: “And because of this superiority in the man, I conclude that the woman should have on her head a veil, the mark of her husband’s power over her, especially in the religious assemblies, where the angels are supposed to be invisibly present.”
Verse 13
Judge in yourselves – Consider the subject in your own common sense, and then say whether it be decent for a woman to pray in public without a veil on her head?
The heathen priestesses prayed or delivered their oracles bare-headed or with dishevelled hair, non comptae mansere comae, as in the case of the Cumaean Sibyl, Aen. vi., ver. 48, and otherwise in great disorder: to be conformed to them would be very disgraceful to Christian women. And in reference to such things as these, the apostle appeals to their sense of honour and decency.
Verse 14
Does not – nature – teach you, that, if a man have long hair – Nature certainly teaches us, by bestowing it, that it is proper for women to have long hair; and it is not so with men.
The hair of the male rarely grows like that of a female, unless art is used, and even then it bears but a scanty proportion to the former.
Hence it is truly womanish to have long hair, and it is a shame to the man who affects it. In ancient times the people of Achaia, the province in which Corinth stood, and the Greeks in general, were noted for their long hair; and hence called by Homer, in a great variety of places, καρηκομοωντες Αχαιοι, the long-haired Greeks, or Achaeans. Soldiers, in different countries, have been distinguished for their long hair; but whether this can be said to their praise or blame, or whether Homer uses it always as a term of respect, when he applies it to the Greeks, I shall not wait here to inquire.
Long hair was certainly not in repute among the Jews. The Nazarites let their hair grow, but it was as a token of humiliation; and it is possible that St. Paul had this in view. There were consequently two reasons why the apostle should condemn this practice: –
Because it was a sign of humiliation;…. and because it was womanish.
After all it is possible that St. Paul may refer to dressed, frizzled and curled hair, which shallow and effeminate men might have affected in that time, as they do in this. Perhaps there is not a sight more ridiculous in the eye of common sense than a high-dressed, curled, cued, and powdered head, with which the operator must have taken considerable pains, and the silly patient lost much time and comfort in submitting to what all but senseless custom must call an indignity and degradation. Hear nature, common sense, and reason, and they will inform you, that if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him.
Verse 15
But if a woman have long hair – It is a certain fact that a man’s long hair renders him contemptible, and a woman’s long hair renders her more amiable. Nature and the apostle speak the same language; we may account for it as we please.
Verse 16
But if any man seem to be contentious – Ει δε τις δοκει φιλονεικος ειναι· If any person sets himself up as a wrangler – puts himself forward as a defender of such points, that a woman may pray or teach with her head uncovered, and that a man may, without reproach, have long hair; let him know that we have no such custom as either, nor are they sanctioned by any of the Churches of God, whether among the Jews or the Gentiles.
We have already seen that the verb δοκειν, which we translate to seem, generally strengthens and increases the sense. From the attention that the apostle has paid to the subject of veils and hair, it is evident that it must have occasioned considerable disturbance in the Church of Corinth. They have produced evil effects in much later times.
John Gill’s Commentary
Chapter Summary – 1 Cor 11
1 Corinthians 11:2. And in order to make way for what he had on his mind to reprove them for, and admonish them about, he observes, that as God is the head of Christ, and Christ the head of every man, so the man is the head of the woman, 1 Corinthians 11:3 wherefore for him to appear, and join in public worship, with his head covered, is to dishonour his head, 1 Corinthians 11:4 as, on the other hand, for a woman to have her head uncovered in divine service, is to dishonour her head, it being all one as if her head was shaved, 1 Corinthians 11:5 wherefore it is concluded, that if it is a shame for her to be shaved or shorn, she ought to be covered when attending the worship of God, 1 Corinthians 11:6. The reason why a man should be uncovered at such a time is, because he is the image and glory of God; and the reason why the woman should be covered is, because she is the glory of the man, is made for his glory, and to be in subjection to him, of which the covering is a token, 1 Corinthians 11:7 and that she is so, is argued from the order of the creation, man being not of the woman, but the woman of the man, 1 Corinthians 11:8 and from the end of the creation, man being not for the woman, but the woman for the man, 1 Corinthians 11:9. Another reason why the woman should be covered at the time of public worship is, because of the angels then present,
1 Corinthians 11:10 but lest on this account the woman should be treated with contempt by the man, the apostle observes, that they are not, and cannot be without one another; and that they are from each other in different senses, and both from the Lord, 1 Corinthians 11:11, and then proceeds to other arguments, showing that women should not appear uncovered in the house of God: one is taken from the uncomeliness of it, which must be so judged by everyone,
1 Corinthians 11:13 and another is taken from nature and custom, and the contrary in men, which is disagreeable and shameful; for, if, the dictates of nature, it is shameful in men to wear long hair, it must be comely and decent in women, and what is for their glory, to wear such hair, since it is their covering, 1 Corinthians 11:14.
But if, after all the apostle had said on this subject, there should be any contentious persons disposed to wrangle about it, he observes, that they were not proper persons to be continued in the church, 1 Corinthians 11:16
Verse 4
it seems that a different custom had now prevailed; now from this Gentile or judaizing practice, the apostle would dissuade them by observing, that such an one that uses it, “dishonoureth his head”; meaning either in a figurative, spiritual, and mystical sense, his head Christ, in token of the liberty received from him, and because he is above in heaven, and clear of all sin, the head must be uncovered in public worship;…..Christ, the believer’s head, appears for him in heaven, opens a way of access for him, gives him audience and acceptance in his person, and through his blood and righteousness; and therefore should appear with open face and head uncovered, as a token of freedom and boldness; otherwise he dishonours his head as if his blood and sacrifice were not effectual, ….man who is the head of the woman; whereas to be covered, as with a woman’s veil or hood, is effeminate, unmanly, and dishonourable.
Verse 5
But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth,…
Not that a woman was allowed to pray publicly in the congregation, and much less to preach or explain the word, for these things were not permitted them: see 1 Corinthians 14:34 but it designs any woman that joins in public worship with the minister in prayer, and attends on the hearing of the word preached, or sings the praises of God with the congregation, as we have seen, the word prophesying signifies,
with her head uncovered. It may seem strange from whom the Corinthian women should take up this custom, since the Jewish women were not allowed to go into the streets, or into any open and public place, unveiledF21.
It was a Jewish law, that they should go out no where bare headedF23: yea, it was reckoned scandalous and ignominious to do so. Hence it is said,F24 שגלוי הראש גנאי להם, “that uncovering of the head is a reproach” to the daughters of Israel: and concerning the adulterous woman, it is represented as said by the priestF25,
“thou hast separated from the way of the daughters of Israel; for the way or custom of the daughters of Israel is להיות מכוסות ראשיהן, “to have their heads covered”; but thou hast gone “in the ways of the Gentiles”, who walk with head bare.’
So that their it should seem that these Corinthians followed the examples of the Heathens: but then, though it might be the custom of some nations for women to go abroad bare headed; yet at their solemnities, where and when they were admitted, for they were not everywhere and always, they used to attend with their heads veiled and coveredF26.
Mr. Mede takes notice indeed of some Heathen priestesses, who used to perform their religious rites and sacrifices with open face, and their hair hanging down, and locks spreading, in imitation of whom these women at Corinth are thought to act. However, whoever behaved in this uncomely manner, whose example soever she followed, the apostle says,dishonoureth her head; not her husband, who is her head in a figurative sense, and is dishonoured by her not being covered; as if she was not subject to him, or because more beautiful than he, and therefore shows herself; but her natural head, as appears from the reason given:
for that is even all one as if she were shaven;
To be without a veil, or some sort of covering on her head, according to the custom of the country, is the same thing as if her head was shaved; and everyone knows how dishonourable and scandalous it is for a woman to have her head shaved; and if this is the same, then it is dishonourable and scandalous to her to be without covering in public worship. And this shows, that the natural head of the man is meant in the preceding verse, since the natural head of the woman is meant in this.
Verse 6
For if the woman be not covered,…. That is, if her head is not covered with some sort of covering, as is the custom of the place where she lives,
let her also be shorn; let her hair be cut short; let her wear it as men do theirs; and let her see how she will look, and how she will like that, and how she will be looked upon, and liked by others; everybody will laugh at her, and she will be ashamed of herself:
but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven: as it is accounted in all civilized nations: the very HeathensF1 speak of it as a thing abominable, and of which there should not be one single dreadful example: then let her be covered; with a veil, or any sort of covering in common use.
Ellicott
Verse 6
(6) Let her also be shorn.—The force of this argument depends on the fact that a woman’s head being uncovered would be regarded by others as implying the same shame as was indicated by a woman’s hair being cut short (i.e., shorn), or altogether removed (i.e., shaven). It is as if the Apostle said—If a woman insists on her right to pray and speak in an assembly with uncovered head, let her carry out this principle to its logical result; let her insist on her right to have her hair cut short, so as to show her equality with man—and what would be thought of her then! No woman with a spark of shame in her would think of doing that. Accordingly you admit that this principle of sexual equality does not apply in all such matters; and it is illogical to argue in favour of any general principle as if it were of universal obligation, when you yourselves admit that it is not applicable in some cases.
Verse 7
(7) For a man indeed.—In 1 Corinthians 11:4-7 the argument against the woman’s head being uncovered was based upon (a) the woman’s relation to man, and (b) the man’s relation to Christ in the Church. In the three following verses, 1 Corinthians 11:7-9, the ground of the argument is changed, and the same conclusion is arrived at from a review of (a) the woman’s relation to man, and (b) man’s relation to God in the physical Creation.
The external form of this argument is the same as that adopted previously. The Apostle first states what the man must not do, and then conversely what the woman must do. The Apostle here takes up the order of creation mentioned in Genesis 1, 2, and the argument runs thus:—Man was made in the image of God, and is the glory of God; but woman is the glory of the man (for woman was made out of man, and also man was not created for woman, but woman for—i.e., as a help-meet for—man).
The spiritual equality of man and wife does not upset this relationship, and therefore an attempt to destroy the outward expression of it is to be condemned, as it would soon lead to an obliteration of the fact itself.
It is to be remembered all through this passage (and it gives a further emphasis to the allusion to Adam and Eve) that St. Paul is only speaking of married women—it is most unlikely that any case had occurred of an unmarried woman attempting such an outrage upon social feeling and national custom. The Greek women when in public (except those of avowedly bad character) either wore a veil or drew the peplum, or shawl, over their heads.
John Gill ((contd)….
Verse 7
It is to be observed, that it is in the presence and worship of God that the one is to be uncovered, and the other covered; the one (man) being the glory of God, and therefore to be uncovered before him; and the other the glory of man, and therefore to be covered before God; and especially, since being first in the transgression, she who is man’s glory has been the means of his shame and disgrace.
The Jews seem to make this the reason of the difference; they askF4,
“why does a man go out with his head uncovered, and a woman with her head covered? it is answered, it is like to one that has committed a sin, and he is ashamed of the children of men, therefore she goes וראשהמכוסה, “with her head covered”.’
Verse 10
Because of the angels; …
Various are the senses given of these words, some taking them in a proper, others in a figurative sense: some in a proper sense of angels, and these either good or bad.
TertullianF5understands them of evil angels,but it is better to understand them of good angels, who attend the assemblies of the saints, and observe the air and behaviour of the worshippers; wherefore women should cover their heads with respect to them, and not give offence to those pure spirits, by an indecent appearance: it is agreeable to the notions of the Jews, that angels attend public prayers, and at the expounding of the word; they often speakF6 of an angel, הממונה על התפלות “that is appointed over prayers”; henceF7
Moreover, this veiling of the woman in public worship because of angels, may be an imitation of the good angels, who when they sung the praises of God, and adored and glorified his perfections, covered their faces and their feet with their wings, Isaiah 6:1
Verse 13
Judge in yourselves,….
The apostle having gone through a variety of reasoning and arguments, ….and appeals to the common sense and understanding of the Corinthians, and makes them themselves judges of the matter; suggesting that the thing was so clear, and he so certain of what he had advanced being right, that he leaves it with them, not doubting but that they would, upon a little reflection within themselves, join with him in this point:
is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? ….; and his meaning is, that it is an uncomely thing in a woman to appear in public service with her head uncovered, whether it be in joining in the public prayers, or in singing of psalms, or in hearing the word expounded; and though the apostle does not put the case of the man’s praying to God, or prophesying in his name with his head covered, yet his sense is the same of that, as of the woman’s.
Verse 14
Doth not even nature itself teach you,….By nature is either meant, the law and light of nature, reason in man, common sense, or rather custom, which is second nature; and which, in this case, must be restrained to the Greeks and Jews; for though among the Grecians the men cut their hair, and did not suffer it to grow long, as also did the Jews, yet there were many nationsF11 who did not, even at that time, observe such a rule or custom; but as the Jews and Greeks were the persons chiefly, if not solely, known to the Corinthians, the apostle signifies, that the usages of these people might direct and inform them in this matter:
that if a man have long hair it is a shame unto him; he looks unmanly and womanish, and exposes himself to ridicule and contempt.
Verse 15
But if a woman have long hair,…. And wears it, without cutting it, as men do:
it is a glory to her; it is comely and beautiful; it is agreeable to her sex, she looks like herself; it becomes and adorns her:
for her hair is given her for a covering; not instead of a covering for her head, or any other part of her body, so that she needs no other: we read indeed of the daughter of Nicodemus ben Gorion, that she was obliged to make use of her hair for a covering in such a senseF12;
“one woman, whose name was Kimchith, had seven sons, and they all ministered in the high priesthood; the wise men said unto her, what hast thou done, that thou art so worthy? she replied to them, all my days the beams of my house never saw קלעי שערי, “the plaits of my hair”F13;’
that is, they were never seen by any one, even within her house.
Verse 16
But if any man seem to be contentious,…. That is, if anyone will not be satisfied with reasons given, for men’s praying and prophesying with their heads uncovered, and women’s praying and prophesying with their heads covered; but will go on to raise objections, and continue carping and cavilling, showing that they contend not for truth, but victory, can they but obtain it any way; for my part, as if the apostle should say, I shall not think it worth my while to continue the dispute any longer; enough has been said to satisfy any wise and good man, anyone that is serious, thoughtful, and modest; and shall only add,
We have no such custom, nor the churches of God; meaning, either that men should appear covered, and women uncovered in public service, and which should have some weight with all those that have any regard to churches and their examples; or that men should be indulged in a captious and contentious spirit; a man that is always contending for contention sake, and is continually cavilling and carping at everything that is said and done in churches, and is always quarrelling with one person or another, or on account of one thing or another, and is constantly giving uneasiness, is not fit to be a church member; nor ought he to be suffered to continue in the communion of the church, to the disturbance of the peace of it. This puts me in mind of a passage in the TalmudF14.
“The Rabbans teach, that after the departure of R. Meir, R. Judah said to his disciples, do not let the disciples of R. Meir enter here, מפני שקנתרנין הן, “because they are contentious”.’
John and Jacob Abbott – 1800’s
Verse 16
Seem to be contentious; is not satisfied with the considerations above presented, but still resists.–We have no such custom, &c.; that is, the settled practice of the churches forbids that a woman should appear in public, in the bold and open manner which is proper for man. The principle established by the apostle may be generally stated thus,–that when woman appears before the assemblies of Christians as a speaker at all, she must do it in a modest and unassuming manner, suited to her subordinate position, and according to the forms prescribed by the established usages of society.
David Guzik
On the same principle, for a woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered is saying, “I am not under authority here.” And because God has established that the head of woman is man (1 Corinthians 11:3), it would be dishonoring to men (her head) for a woman to say this with the refusal to wear a head covering.
i. Under these words of Paul, women are free to pray or prophesy, but only when as they demonstrate that they are under the authority of the male leadership of the church.
e. That is one and the same as if her head was shaved:
In essence, Paul says to these women: “If you are going to forsake your head covering, go all the way and shave your head, and identify yourself with the women of the world, in all their shame.”
4. (1 Corinthians 11:7-10) Why is it important to respect the principle of headship in the church?
For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. For man is not from woman, but woman from man. Nor was man created for the woman, but woman for the man. For this reason the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.
a. The reason first stated is found in 1 Corinthians 11:3 : the head of woman is man. God has established an order of authority, the principle of male headship, both in the church (1 Corinthians 11:1-34 and 1 Timothy 2:1-15) and the home (Ephesians 5:23).
b. He is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. For man is not from woman, but woman from man. A second reason is found in the order of creation: God created Adam first, and gave Him responsibility over Eve.
i. Since one reason for male headship is the order and manner in which God created man and woman – something which was present before the fall – this passage makes it clear that before and after the fall, God has ordained there be a difference in the roles between genders, even in the church. Difference in gender roles (in the church and in the home) are not the result of the fall, and are not erased by our new life in Jesus.
ii. Trapp on woman is the glory of the man: “Either because he may glory in her, if she be good; or because she is to honour him, and give glory to him.” Clarke also observes: “As the man is, among the creatures, the representative of the glory and perfections of God, so that the fear of him and dread of him are in every beast of the field . . . so the woman is, in the house and family, the representative of the power and authority of the man.” Poole adds: “But the woman is the glory of the man, created for the honour of the man, and for his help and assistance, and originally made out of man, so as man may glory of her, as Adam did of Eve, Gen. Ii. 23, This is now bone of my bone, and flesh of my flesh.”
iii. Nor was man created for the woman, but woman for the man: Simply put, Adam was created for Eve, but Eve was created for Adam
c. Because of the angels:
A third reason God has established male headship in the church is the presence of angels in corporate worship.
i. Angels are present at any assembly of Christians for worship and note any departure from reverent order; and apparently, angels are offended by any violation of propriety.
iv. “And so it teaches us, that the good angels, who are ministering spirits for the good of God’s elect, at all times have a special ministration, or at least are more particularly present, in the assemblies of people for religious worship, observing the persons, carriage, and demeanour; the sense of which ought to awe all persons attending those services, from any incident and unworthy behaviour.” (Poole)
d. Significantly, none of these reasons are culture-dependent.
The order and manner of creation and the presence of angels do not depend on culture:
We cannot say, “Paul said this just because of the thinking of the Corinthian culture or the place of women in that culture.” The principles are eternal, but the out-working of the principles may differ according to culture.
e. In this, we see God has established a clear chain of authority in both the home and in the church, and in those spheres, God has ordained that men are the “head” – that is, that they have the place of authority and responsibility.
IN SUMMARY:
1 – Our culture, having rejected the idea in a difference in role between men and women, now rejects the idea of any difference between men and women! The driving trends in our culture point towards men who are more like women, and women who are more like men – and styles, clothes, perfumes, and all the rest are pushing this thought.
2 – The Bible is just as specific: there is no general submission of women unto men commanded in society; only in the spheres of the home and in the church. God has not commanded in His word that men have exclusive authority in the areas of politics, business, education, and so on.
3 – It also does not mean that every woman in the church is under the authority of every man. Instead it means that those who lead the church – pastors and ruling elders – must be men, and women must respect their authority.
4- The failure of men to lead in the home and in the church, and to lead in the way Jesus would lead, has been a chief cause of the rejection of male authority – and is inexcusable.
5 – Some feel this recognition and submission to authority is an unbearable burden; that it means, “I have to say that I’m inferior, I’m nothing, and I have to recognize this other person as being superior.” Not at all! Inferiority or superiority has nothing to do with it! Remember the relationship between God the Father and God the Son – they are completely equal in their being, but have different roles when it comes to authority.
6 – Some may say that the church cannot work, or cannot work well, unless we get along with the times and put women into positions of spiritual and doctrinal authority in the church. From the standpoint of what works in our culture, they may be right. But how can such a church say they are led by the word of God?
7- The issues of headship and submission should be seen in their broader context – not just as a struggle between men and women, but as a struggle with the issue of authority in general. Since the 1960’s, there has been a massive change in the way we see and accept authority.
8- Citizens do not have the same respect for government’s authority, students do not have the same respect for teacher’s authority, women do not have the same respect for men’s authority, and Christians no longer have the same respect for church authority.
9 – It’s important to ask: have the changes been good? Do we feel safer? Are we more confident in our culture? Have television and other entertainment gotten better or worse? In fact, our society is presently in, and rushing towards, complete anarchy – the state where no authority is accepted, and the only thing that matters is what I want to do.
10 – It is fair to describe our present moral state as one of anarchy. There is no moral authority in our culture. When it comes to morality, the only thing that matters is what one wants to do.
11 – We must see the broader attack on authority as a direct Satanic strategy to destroy our society and millions of individual lives. The devil is accomplishing this with two main attacks: first, the corruption of authority; second, the rejection of authority.
12 – This idea of authority and submission to authority are so important to God that they are part of His very being.
The First Person of the Holy Trinity is called the Father; the Second Person of the Holy Trinity is called the Son. Inherent in those titles is a relationship of authority and submission to authority. The Father exercises authority over the Son, and the Son submits to the Father’s authority – and this is in the very nature and being of God!
(1 Corinthians 11:13-16)
Appealing to experience, nature, common sense, and apostolic authority.
Judge among yourselves. Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him? But if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering. But if anyone seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God.
a. Judge among yourselves: Paul appeals to something the Corinthian Christians should be able to figure out on their own.
b. Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? Here, Paul speaks to those Christians who come from a Jewish environment.
In the Jewish community, even men would cover their heads while praying. It was therefore inconceivable for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered.
Their own experience taught them that women should observe the custom of the head covering when the church meets.
c. Does not even nature itself teach: In both Jewish and Greek cultures, short hair was common for men.
i.- In some cultures and at some times, men have worn their hair longer than others, but no matter how long men have worn their hair, women have always worn their hair longer.
ii. Based on this verse, many people have thought that it is a sin for a man to wear long hair – or, at least hair that is considered long by the culture. But long hair in itself can be no sin; after all, Paul apparently had long hair for a time in Corinth as a part of a vow (Acts 18:18). But, the vow would not have meant anything if long hair was the norm; that’s what Paul is getting at!
iii. While it is true that it is wrong for a man to take the appearance of a woman (Deuteronomy 22:5), longer hair on a man is not necessarily an indication of this.
Her hair is given to her for a covering: Because women wear their hair longer than men, Paul thinks of this longer hair as “nature’s veil. So, if nature has given women long hair as a covering, that in itself points to their need to be covered (according to the ancient Corinthian custom).
verse 16
If anyone seem to be contentious, we have no such custom: In this appeal to apostolic authority, Paul is telling the Corinthian Christians to not be contentious – especially because the other churches of God have adopted their custom according to God’s truth.
To Mike and Daniel
I re-enter the conversation…..
Please note the consistent thoughts throughout these commentators, including David Guzik who sees no variance from the Pauline teaching today. In other words modern culture doesn’t void truth as we would expect.
See the various comments from each man on verse 16.
Head Covering – A Biblical Mandate
1 Corinthians 11
Adam Clarke
v 4
Praying, or prophesying – Any person who engages in public acts in the worship of God, whether prayer, singing, or exhortation: for we learn, from the apostle himself, that προφητευειν, to prophesy, signifies to speak unto men to edification, exhortation, and comfort, 1 Corinthians 14:3. And this comprehends all that we understand by exhortation, or even preaching.
Having his head covered – With his cap or turban on, dishonours his head; because the head being covered was a sign of subjection; and while he was employed in the public ministration of the word, he was to be considered as a representative of Christ, and on this account his being veiled or covered would be improper. This decision of the apostle was in point blank hostility to the canons of the Jews; for they would not suffer a man to pray unless he was veiled, for which they gave this reason. “He should veil himself to show that he is ashamed before God, and unworthy with open face to behold him.” See much in Lightfoot on this point.
Verse 5
Whatever may be the meaning of praying and prophesying, in respect to the man, they have precisely the same meaning in respect to the woman.
The only difference marked by the apostle was, the man had his head uncovered, because he was the representative of Christ; the woman had hers covered, because she was placed by the order of God in a state of subjection to the man, and because it was a custom, both among the Greeks and Romans, and among the Jews an express law, that no woman should be seen abroad without a veil.
This was, and is, a common custom through all the east, and none but public prostitutes go without veils. And if a woman should appear in public without a veil, she would dishonour her head – her husband. And she must appear like to those women who had their hair shorn off as the punishment of whoredom, or adultery.
This part is most striking;
Tacitus informs us, Germ. 19, that, considering the greatness of the population, adulteries were very rare among the Germans; and when any woman was found guilty she was punished in the following way: accisis crinibus, nudatam coram propinquis expellit domo maritus; “having cut off her hair, and stripped her before her relatives, her husband turned her out of doors.” And we know that the woman suspected of adultery was ordered by the law of Moses to be stripped of her veil, Numbers 5:18. Women reduced to a state of servitude, or slavery, had their hair cut off: so we learn from Achilles Tatius.
Clitophon says, concerning Leucippe, who was reduced to a state of slavery: πεπραται, δεδουλευκεν, γην εσκαψεν, σεσυληται της κεφαλης το καλλος, την κουραν ὁρᾳς· lib. viii. cap. 6, “she was sold for a slave, she dug in the ground, and her hair being shorn off, her head was deprived of its ornament,” etc. It was also the custom among the Greeks to cut off their hair in time of mourning. See Euripides in Alcest., ver. 426. Admetus, ordering a common mourning for his wife Alcestis, says: πενθος γυναικος της δε κοινουσθαι λεγω, κουρᾳ ξυρηκει και μελαμπεπλῳ στολῃ· “I order a general mourning for this woman! let the hair be shorn off, and a black garment put on.”
Propriety and decency of conduct are the points which the apostle seems to have more especially in view. As a woman who dresses loosely or fantastically, even in the present day, is considered a disgrace to her husband, because suspected to be not very sound in her morals; so in those ancient times, a woman appearing without a veil would be considered in the same light.
Verse 6
For if the woman be not covered – If she will not wear a veil in the public assemblies, let her be shorn – let her carry a public badge of infamy: but if it be a shame – if to be shorn or shaven would appear, as it must, a badge of infamy, then let her be covered – let her by all means wear a veil.
Even in mourning it was considered disgraceful to be obliged to shear off the hair; and lest they should lose this ornament of their heads, the women contrived to evade the custom, by cutting off the ends of it only. Euripides, in Orest., ver. 128, speaking of Helen, who should have shaved her head on account of the death of her sister Clytemnestra, says: ειδετε παρ ‘ακρας ὡς απεθρισεν τριχας, σωζουσα καλλος, εστι δε ἡ παλαι γυνη : “see how she cuts off only the very points of her hair, that she may preserve her beauty, and is just the same woman as before.” See the note on 1 Corinthians 11:5.
In Hindostan a woman cuts off her hair at the death of her husband, as a token of widowhood; but this is never performed by a married woman, whose hair is considered an essential ornament. The veil of the Hindoo women is nothing more than the garment brought over the face, which is always very carefully done by the higher classes of women when they appear in the streets. – Ward’s Customs.
Verse 7
But the woman is the glory of the man – As the man is, among the creatures, the representative of the glory and perfections of God, so that the fear of him and the dread of him are on every beast of the field, etc.; so the woman is, in the house and family, the representative of the power and authority of the man. I believe this to be the meaning of the apostle; and that he is speaking here principally concerning power and authority, and skill to use them. It is certainly not the moral image of God, nor his celestial glory, of which he speaks in this verse.
Verse 8
His meaning is, that the man does not belong to the woman, as if she was the principal; but the woman belongs to the man in that view.
Verse 10
For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels –
Bishop Pearce, have written best on the subject, in which they allow that there are many difficulties.
That the original should be read, Wherefore the woman ought to have A power upon her head, that is, the power of the husband over the wife; the word power standing for the sign or token of that power which was a covering or veil.
Theophylact explains the word, το του εξουσιαζεσθαι συμβολον, τουτεστι, το καλυμμα, “the symbol of being under power, that is, a veil, or covering.” And Photius explains it thus: της υποταγης συμβολον το επι της κεφαλης καλυμμα φερειν ; to wear a veil on the head is a symbol of subjection. It is no unusual thing, in the Old and New Testament, for the signs and tokens of things to be called by the names of the things themselves, for thus circumcision is called the covenant, in Genesis 17:10, Genesis 17:13, though it was only the sign of it.
On the whole, the bishop’s sense of the passage and paraphrase stands thus: “And because of this superiority in the man, I conclude that the woman should have on her head a veil, the mark of her husband’s power over her, especially in the religious assemblies, where the angels are supposed to be invisibly present.”
Verse 13
Judge in yourselves – Consider the subject in your own common sense, and then say whether it be decent for a woman to pray in public without a veil on her head? The heathen priestesses prayed or delivered their oracles bare-headed or with dishevelled hair, non comptae mansere comae, as in the case of the Cumaean Sibyl, Aen. vi., ver. 48, and otherwise in great disorder: to be conformed to them would be very disgraceful to Christian women. And in reference to such things as these, the apostle appeals to their sense of honour and decency.
Verse 14
Does not – nature – teach you, that, if a man have long hair – Nature certainly teaches us, by bestowing it, that it is proper for women to have long hair; and it is not so with men.
The hair of the male rarely grows like that of a female, unless art is used, and even then it bears but a scanty proportion to the former.
Hence it is truly womanish to have long hair, and it is a shame to the man who affects it. In ancient times the people of Achaia, the province in which Corinth stood, and the Greeks in general, were noted for their long hair; and hence called by Homer, in a great variety of places, καρηκομοωντες Αχαιοι, the long-haired Greeks, or Achaeans. Soldiers, in different countries, have been distinguished for their long hair; but whether this can be said to their praise or blame, or whether Homer uses it always as a term of respect, when he applies it to the Greeks, I shall not wait here to inquire.
Long hair was certainly not in repute among the Jews. The Nazarites let their hair grow, but it was as a token of humiliation; and it is possible that St. Paul had this in view. There were consequently two reasons why the apostle should condemn this practice: –
Because it was a sign of humiliation;….Because it was womanish.
After all it is possible that St. Paul may refer to dressed, frizzled and curled hair, which shallow and effeminate men might have affected in that time, as they do in this. Perhaps there is not a sight more ridiculous in the eye of common sense than a high-dressed, curled, cued, and powdered head, with which the operator must have taken considerable pains, and the silly patient lost much time and comfort in submitting to what all but senseless custom must call an indignity and degradation. Hear nature, common sense, and reason, and they will inform you, that if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him.
Verse 15
But if a woman have long hair – It is a certain fact that a man’s long hair renders him contemptible, and a woman’s long hair renders her more amiable. Nature and the apostle speak the same language; we may account for it as we please.
Verse 16
But if any man seem to be contentious – Ει δε τις δοκει φιλονεικος ειναι· If any person sets himself up as a wrangler – puts himself forward as a defender of such points, that a woman may pray or teach with her head uncovered, and that a man may, without reproach, have long hair; let him know that we have no such custom as either, nor are they sanctioned by any of the Churches of God, whether among the Jews or the Gentiles.
We have already seen that the verb δοκειν, which we translate to seem, generally strengthens and increases the sense. From the attention that the apostle has paid to the subject of veils and hair, it is evident that it must have occasioned considerable disturbance in the Church of Corinth. They have produced evil effects in much later times.
John Gill
Chapter Summary – 1 Cor 11
1 Corinthians 11:2. And in order to make way for what he had on his mind to reprove them for, and admonish them about, he observes, that as God is the head of Christ, and Christ the head of every man, so the man is the head of the woman, 1 Corinthians 11:3 wherefore for him to appear, and join in public worship, with his head covered, is to dishonour his head, 1 Corinthians 11:4 as, on the other hand, for a woman to have her head uncovered in divine service, is to dishonour her head, it being all one as if her head was shaved, 1 Corinthians 11:5 wherefore it is concluded, that if it is a shame for her to be shaved or shorn, she ought to be covered when attending the worship of God, 1 Corinthians 11:6. The reason why a man should be uncovered at such a time is, because he is the image and glory of God; and the reason why the woman should be covered is, because she is the glory of the man, is made for his glory, and to be in subjection to him, of which the covering is a token, 1 Corinthians 11:7 and that she is so, is argued from the order of the creation, man being not of the woman, but the woman of the man, 1 Corinthians 11:8 and from the end of the creation, man being not for the woman, but the woman for the man, 1 Corinthians 11:9. Another reason why the woman should be covered at the time of public worship is, because of the angels then present,
1 Corinthians 11:10 but lest on this account the woman should be treated with contempt by the man, the apostle observes, that they are not, and cannot be without one another; and that they are from each other in different senses, and both from the Lord, 1 Corinthians 11:11, and then proceeds to other arguments, showing that women should not appear uncovered in the house of God: one is taken from the uncomeliness of it, which must be so judged by everyone, 1 Corinthians 11:13 and another is taken from nature and custom, and the contrary in men, which is disagreeable and shameful; for, if, the dictates of nature, it is shameful in men to wear long hair, it must be comely and decent in women, and what is for their glory, to wear such hair, since it is their covering,
1 Corinthians 11:14.
But if, after all the apostle had said on this subject, there should be any contentious persons disposed to wrangle about it, he observes, that they were not proper persons to be continued in the church, 1 Corinthians 11:16
Verse 4
it seems that a different custom had now prevailed; now from this Gentile or judaizing practice, the apostle would dissuade them by observing, that such an one that uses it, “dishonoureth his head”; meaning either in a figurative, spiritual, and mystical sense, his head Christ, in token of the liberty received from him, and because he is above in heaven, and clear of all sin, the head must be uncovered in public worship;…..Christ, the believer’s head, appears for him in heaven, opens a way of access for him, gives him audience and acceptance in his person, and through his blood and righteousness; and therefore should appear with open face and head uncovered, as a token of freedom and boldness; otherwise he dishonours his head as if his blood and sacrifice were not effectual, ….man who is the head of the woman; whereas to be covered, as with a woman’s veil or hood, is effeminate, unmanly, and dishonourable.
Verse 5
But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth,…
Not that a woman was allowed to pray publicly in the congregation, and much less to preach or explain the word, for these things were not permitted them: see 1 Corinthians 14:34 but it designs any woman that joins in public worship with the minister in prayer, and attends on the hearing of the word preached, or sings the praises of God with the congregation, as we have seen, the word prophesying signifies,with her head uncovered.
It may seem strange from whom the Corinthian women should take up this custom, since the Jewish women were not allowed to go into the streets, or into any open and public place, unveiledF21. It was a Jewish law, that they should go out no where bare headedF23: yea, it was reckoned scandalous and ignominious to do so. Hence it is said,F24 שגלוי הראש גנאי להם, “that uncovering of the head is a reproach” to the daughters of Israel: and concerning the adulterous woman, it is represented as said by the priestF25,
“thou hast separated from the way of the daughters of Israel; for the way or custom of the daughters of Israel is להיות מכוסות ראשיהן, “to have their heads covered”; but thou hast gone “in the ways of the Gentiles”, who walk with head bare.’
So that their it should seem that these Corinthians followed the examples of the Heathens: but then, though it might be the custom of some nations for women to go abroad bare headed; yet at their solemnities, where and when they were admitted, for they were not everywhere and always, they used to attend with their heads veiled and coveredF26.
Mr. Mede takes notice indeed of some Heathen priestesses, who used to perform their religious rites and sacrifices with open face, and their hair hanging down, and locks spreading, in imitation of whom these women at Corinth are thought to act. However, whoever behaved in this uncomely manner, whose example soever she followed, the apostle says, dishonoureth her head; not her husband, who is her head in a figurative sense, and is dishonoured by her not being covered; as if she was not subject to him, or because more beautiful than he, and therefore shows herself; but her natural head, as appears from the reason given:
for that is even all one as if she were shaven;
To be without a veil, or some sort of covering on her head, according to the custom of the country, is the same thing as if her head was shaved; and everyone knows how dishonourable and scandalous it is for a woman to have her head shaved; and if this is the same, then it is dishonourable and scandalous to her to be without covering in public worship. And this shows, that the natural head of the man is meant in the preceding verse, since the natural head of the woman is meant in this.
Verse 6
For if the woman be not covered,…. That is, if her head is not covered with some sort of covering, as is the custom of the place where she lives,let her also be shorn; let her hair be cut short; let her wear it as men do theirs; and let her see how she will look, and how she will like that, and how she will be looked upon, and liked by others; everybody will laugh at her, and she will be ashamed of herself:
but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven: as it is accounted in all civilized nations: the very HeathensF1 speak of it as a thing abominable, and of which there should not be one single dreadful example: then let her be covered; with a veil, or any sort of covering in common use.
Ellicott’s Commentary
Verse 6
(6) Let her also be shorn.—The force of this argument depends on the fact that a woman’s head being uncovered would be regarded by others as implying the same shame as was indicated by a woman’s hair being cut short (i.e., shorn), or altogether removed (i.e., shaven). It is as if the Apostle said—If a woman insists on her right to pray and speak in an assembly with uncovered head, let her carry out this principle to its logical result; let her insist on her right to have her hair cut short, so as to show her equality with man—and what would be thought of her then! No woman with a spark of shame in her would think of doing that. Accordingly you admit that this principle of sexual equality does not apply in all such matters; and it is illogical to argue in favour of any general principle as if it were of universal obligation, when you yourselves admit that it is not applicable in some cases.
Verse 7
(7) For a man indeed.—In 1 Corinthians 11:4-7 the argument against the woman’s head being uncovered was based upon (a) the woman’s relation to man, and (b) the man’s relation to Christ in the Church. In the three following verses, 1 Corinthians 11:7-9, the ground of the argument is changed, and the same conclusion is arrived at from a review of (a) the woman’s relation to man, and (b) man’s relation to God in the physical Creation.
The external form of this argument is the same as that adopted previously. The Apostle first states what the man must not do, and then conversely what the woman must do. The Apostle here takes up the order of creation mentioned in Genesis 1, 2, and the argument runs thus:—Man was made in the image of God, and is the glory of God; but woman is the glory of the man (for woman was made out of man, and also man was not created for woman, but woman for—i.e., as a help-meet for—man).
The spiritual equality of man and wife does not upset this relationship, and therefore an attempt to destroy the outward expression of it is to be condemned, as it would soon lead to an obliteration of the fact itself.
It is to be remembered all through this passage (and it gives a further emphasis to the allusion to Adam and Eve) that St. Paul is only speaking of married women—it is most unlikely that any case had occurred of an unmarried woman attempting such an outrage upon social feeling and national custom. The Greek women when in public (except those of avowedly bad character) either wore a veil or drew the peplum, or shawl, over their heads.
John Gill ((contd)….
Verse 7
It is to be observed, that it is in the presence and worship of God that the one is to be uncovered, and the other covered; the one (man) being the glory of God, and therefore to be uncovered before him; and the other the glory of man, and therefore to be covered before God; and especially, since being first in the transgression, she who is man’s glory has been the means of his shame and disgrace. The Jews seem to make this the reason of the difference; they askF4,
“why does a man go out with his head uncovered, and a woman with her head covered? it is answered, it is like to one that has committed a sin, and he is ashamed of the children of men, therefore she goes וראשהמכוסה, “with her head covered”.’
Verse 10
Because of the angels; …
Various are the senses given of these words, some taking them in a proper, others in a figurative sense: some in a proper sense of angels, and these either good or bad.
TertullianF5 understands them of evil angels,but it is better to understand them of good angels, who attend the assemblies of the saints, and observe the air and behaviour of the worshippers; wherefore women should cover their heads with respect to them, and not give offence to those pure spirits, by an indecent appearance: it is agreeable to the notions of the Jews, that angels attend public prayers, and at the expounding of the word; they often speakF6 of an angel, הממונה על התפלות “that is appointed over prayers”; henceF7
Moreover, this veiling of the woman in public worship because of angels, may be an imitation of the good angels, who when they sung the praises of God, and adored and glorified his perfections, covered their faces and their feet with their wings, Isaiah 6:1
Verse 13
Judge in yourselves,….
The apostle having gone through a variety of reasoning and arguments, ….and appeals to the common sense and understanding of the Corinthians, and makes them themselves judges of the matter; suggesting that the thing was so clear, and he so certain of what he had advanced being right, that he leaves it with them, not doubting but that they would, upon a little reflection within themselves, join with him in this point:
is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? …. and his meaning is, that it is an uncomely thing in a woman to appear in public service with her head uncovered, whether it be in joining in the public prayers, or in singing of psalms, or in hearing the word expounded; and though the apostle does not put the case of the man’s praying to God, or prophesying in his name with his head covered, yet his sense is the same of that, as of the woman’s.
Verse 14
Doth not even nature itself teach you,….By nature is either meant, the law and light of nature, reason in man, common sense, or rather custom, which is second nature; and which, in this case, must be restrained to the Greeks and Jews; for though among the Grecians the men cut their hair, and did not suffer it to grow long, as also did the Jews, yet there were many nationsF11 who did not, even at that time, observe such a rule or custom; but as the Jews and Greeks were the persons chiefly, if not solely, known to the Corinthians, the apostle signifies, that the usages of these people might direct and inform them in this matter:
that if a man have long hair it is a shame unto him; he looks unmanly and womanish, and exposes himself to ridicule and contempt.
Verse 15
But if a woman have long hair,…. And wears it, without cutting it, as men do:
it is a glory to her; it is comely and beautiful; it is agreeable to her sex, she looks like herself; it becomes and adorns her: ….for her hair is given her for a covering; not instead of a covering for her head, or any other part of her body, so that she needs no other: we read indeed of the daughter of Nicodemus ben Gorion, that she was obliged to make use of her hair for a covering in such a senseF12;
“one woman, whose name was Kimchith, had seven sons, and they all ministered in the high priesthood; the wise men said unto her, what hast thou done, that thou art so worthy? she replied to them, all my days the beams of my house never saw קלעי שערי, “the plaits of my hair”F13;’
that is, they were never seen by any one, even within her house.
Verse 16
But if any man seem to be contentious,…. That is, if anyone will not be satisfied with reasons given, for men’s praying and prophesying with their heads uncovered, and women’s praying and prophesying with their heads covered; but will go on to raise objections, and continue carping and cavilling, showing that they contend not for truth, but victory, can they but obtain it any way; for my part, as if the apostle should say, I shall not think it worth my while to continue the dispute any longer; enough has been said to satisfy any wise and good man, anyone that is serious, thoughtful, and modest; and shall only add,
We have no such custom, nor the churches of God; meaning, either that men should appear covered, and women uncovered in public service, and which should have some weight with all those that have any regard to churches and their examples; or that men should be indulged in a captious and contentious spirit; a man that is always contending for contention sake, and is continually cavilling and carping at everything that is said and done in churches, and is always quarrelling with one person or another, or on account of one thing or another, and is constantly giving uneasiness, is not fit to be a church member; nor ought he to be suffered to continue in the communion of the church, to the disturbance of the peace of it. This puts me in mind of a passage in the TalmudF14.
“The Rabbans teach, that after the departure of R. Meir, R. Judah said to his disciples, do not let the disciples of R. Meir enter here, מפני שקנתרנין הן, “because they are contentious”.’
John and Jacob Abbott – 1800’s
Verse 16
Seem to be contentious; is not satisfied with the considerations above presented, but still resists.–We have no such custom, &c.; that is, the settled practice of the churches forbids that a woman should appear in public, in the bold and open manner which is proper for man. The principle established by the apostle may be generally stated thus,–that when woman appears before the assemblies of Christians as a speaker at all, she must do it in a modest and unassuming manner, suited to her subordinate position, and according to the forms prescribed by the established usages of society.
David Guzik
On the same principle, for a woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered is saying, “I am not under authority here.” And because God has established that the head of woman is man (1 Corinthians 11:3), it would be dishonoring to men (her head) for a woman to say this with the refusal to wear a head covering.
i. Under these words of Paul, women are free to pray or prophesy, but only when as they demonstrate that they are under the authority of the male leadership of the church.
e. That is one and the same as if her head was shaved:
In essence, Paul says to these women: “If you are going to forsake your head covering, go all the way and shave your head, and identify yourself with the women of the world, in all their shame.”
4. (1 Corinthians 11:7-10) Why is it important to respect the principle of headship in the church?
For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. For man is not from woman, but woman from man. Nor was man created for the woman, but woman for the man. For this reason the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.
a. The reason first stated is found in 1 Corinthians 11:3 : the head of woman is man. God has established an order of authority, the principle of male headship, both in the church (1 Corinthians 11:1-34 and 1 Timothy 2:1-15) and the home (Ephesians 5:23).
b. He is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. For man is not from woman, but woman from man. A second reason is found in the order of creation: God created Adam first, and gave Him responsibility over Eve.
i. Since one reason for male headship is the order and manner in which God created man and woman – something which was present before the fall – this passage makes it clear that before and after the fall, God has ordained there be a difference in the roles between genders, even in the church. Difference in gender roles (in the church and in the home) are not the result of the fall, and are not erased by our new life in Jesus.
ii. Trapp on woman is the glory of the man: “Either because he may glory in her, if she be good; or because she is to honour him, and give glory to him.” Clarke also observes: “As the man is, among the creatures, the representative of the glory and perfections of God, so that the fear of him and dread of him are in every beast of the field . . . so the woman is, in the house and family, the representative of the power and authority of the man.” Poole adds: “But the woman is the glory of the man, created for the honour of the man, and for his help and assistance, and originally made out of man, so as man may glory of her, as Adam did of Eve, Gen. Ii. 23, This is now bone of my bone, and flesh of my flesh.”
iii. Nor was man created for the woman, but woman for the man: Simply put, Adam was created for Eve, but Eve was created for Adam
c. Because of the angels: A third reason God has established male headship in the church is the presence of angels in corporate worship.
i. Angels are present at any assembly of Christians for worship and note any departure from reverent order; and apparently, angels are offended by any violation of propriety.
ii. Passages such as this remind us that our struggle is bigger than ourselves. God has eternal things to teach the universe through us (Ephesians 3:10-11; 1 Corinthians 4:9; 1 Peter 1:12).
iii. John Stott, commenting on Ephesians 3:1-21, explains the broader idea: “It is as if a great drama is being enacted. History is the theatre, the world is the stage, and the church members in every land are the actors. (Stott)
iv. “And so it teaches us, that the good angels, who are ministering spirits for the good of God’s elect, at all times have a special ministration, or at least are more particularly present, in the assemblies of people for religious worship, observing the persons, carriage, and demeanour; the sense of which ought to awe all persons attending those services, from any incident and unworthy behaviour.” (Poole)
d. Significantly, none of these reasons are culture-dependent.
The order and manner of creation and the presence of angels do not depend on culture.
We cannot say, “Paul said this just because of the thinking of the Corinthian culture or the place of women in that culture.”
The principles are eternal, but the out-working of the principles may differ according to culture.
e. In this, we see God has established a clear chain of authority in both the home and in the church, and in those spheres, God has ordained that men are the “head” – that is, that they have the place of authority and responsibility.
SUMMARY:
1 – Our culture, having rejected the idea in a difference in role between men and women, now rejects the idea of any difference between men and women! The driving trends in our culture point towards men who are more like women, and women who are more like men – and styles, clothes, perfumes, and all the rest are pushing this thought.
2 – The Bible is just as specific: there is no general submission of women unto men commanded in society; only in the spheres of the home and in the church. God has not commanded in His word that men have exclusive authority in the areas of politics, business, education, and so on.
3 – It also does not mean that every woman in the church is under the authority of every man. Instead it means that those who lead the church – pastors and ruling elders – must be men, and women must respect their authority.
4- The failure of men to lead in the home and in the church, and to lead in the way Jesus would lead, has been a chief cause of the rejection of male authority – and is inexcusable.
5 – Some feel this recognition and submission to authority is an unbearable burden; that it means, “I have to say that I’m inferior, I’m nothing, and I have to recognize this other person as being superior.” Not at all! Inferiority or superiority has nothing to do with it! Remember the relationship between God the Father and God the Son – they are completely equal in their being, but have different roles when it comes to authority.
6 – Some may say that the church cannot work, or cannot work well, unless we get along with the times and put women into positions of spiritual and doctrinal authority in the church. From the standpoint of what works in our culture, they may be right. But how can such a church say they are led by the word of God?
7- The issues of headship and submission should be seen in their broader context – not just as a struggle between men and women, but as a struggle with the issue of authority in general. Since the 1960’s, there has been a massive change in the way we see and accept authority.
8- Citizens do not have the same respect for government’s authority, students do not have the same respect for teacher’s authority, women do not have the same respect for men’s authority, and Christians no longer have the same respect for church authority.
9 – It’s important to ask: have the changes been good? Do we feel safer? Are we more confident in our culture? Have television and other entertainment gotten better or worse? In fact, our society is presently in, and rushing towards, complete anarchy – the state where no authority is accepted, and the only thing that matters is what I want to do.
10 – It is fair to describe our present moral state as one of anarchy. There is no moral authority in our culture. When it comes to morality, the only thing that matters is what one wants to do.
11 – We must see the broader attack on authority as a direct Satanic strategy to destroy our society and millions of individual lives. The devil is accomplishing this with two main attacks: first, the corruption of authority; second, the rejection of authority.
12 – This idea of authority and submission to authority are so important to God that they are part of His very being.
The First Person of the Holy Trinity is called the Father; the Second Person of the Holy Trinity is called the Son. Inherent in those titles is a relationship of authority and submission to authority. The Father exercises authority over the Son, and the Son submits to the Father’s authority – and this is in the very nature and being of God!
Our failure to exercise Biblical authority, and our failure to submit to Biblical authority, isn’t just wrong and sad – it sins against the very nature of God. Remember 1 Samuel 15:23 : For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft.
(1 Corinthians 11:11-12) Headship in light of the interdependence of men and women.
Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord. For as woman came from man, even so man also comes through woman; but all things are from God.
a. Nevertheless: On top of all Paul has said about male headship in the church, it would be wrong to consider headship as the only dynamic at work between men and women in the church. They must also remember neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man. Men and women need each other, so there is no place for a “lording over” of the men over the women.
(1 Corinthians 11:13-16) Appealing to experience, nature, common sense, and apostolic authority.
Judge among yourselves. Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him? But if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering. But if anyone seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God.
a. Judge among yourselves: Paul appeals to something the Corinthian Christians should be able to figure out on their own.
b. Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? Here, Paul speaks to those Christians who come from a Jewish environment. In the Jewish community, even men would cover their heads while praying. It was therefore inconceivable for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered. Their own experience taught them that women should observe the custom of the head covering when the church meets.
c. Does not even nature itself teach: In both Jewish and Greek cultures, short hair was common for men. Therefore it was a dishonour for a man to wear long hair, because it was considered feminine.
i.- In some cultures and at some times, men have worn their hair longer than others, but no matter how long men have worn their hair, women have always worn their hair longer.
ii. Based on this verse, many people have thought that it is a sin for a man to wear long hair – or, at least hair that is considered long by the culture. But long hair in itself can be no sin; after all, Paul apparently had long hair for a time in Corinth as a part of a vow (Acts 18:18). But, the vow would not have meant anything if long hair was the norm; that’s what Paul is getting at!
iii. While it is true that it is wrong for a man to take the appearance of a woman (Deuteronomy 22:5), longer hair on a man is not necessarily an indication of this. It is far better for most preachers to be concerned about the length of their sermons instead of the length of people’s hair!
Her hair is given to her for a covering: Because women wear their hair longer than men, Paul thinks of this longer hair as “nature’s veil. So, if nature has given women long hair as a covering, that in itself points to their need to be covered (according to the ancient Corinthian custom).
verse 16
If anyone seem to be contentious, we have no such custom: In this appeal to apostolic authority, Paul is telling the Corinthian Christians to not be contentious – especially because the other churches of God have adopted their custom according to God’s truth.
Why are we so concerned about the outward appearance. God looks at our hearts and what we do for him. Taya has all showed us what she does for Him and its remarkable. God has used her in an amazing way. If only the world would stop looking at us from the outside and go deeper and see us for who we truly are. I think that’s the problem we have now days is we see people from their outward appearance, but if we saw people from the perspective God sees us as we would be in a whole lot better shape.
really? your hair determinants your christianity? really?…. she’s gorgeous and she sings incredible. she used alot of bleach for her white look so she had to do it .
Hi Karla,
Thanks for your comments. If this is the reason, which it could well be, then why is she not letting her some 430,000 instagram followers and others know the possible reason for the stark change.
If this is the case surely a simple note to everyone thst her hair was needing to be revitalised, after too much blonding.
But instead we are left with this cofusion, and it is a confusion, when a woman looks like a man.
If you a right, then I will write a clarification. However I do note that her logo on instagram is a logo of herself with a microphone in her ear, with her new short cropped hair.
Shall we see what trasnpires over the next few months?
So anyway. If any of you bothered to do a simple internet search, she has very clearly indicated the crew cut was the result of a pragmatic decision. She had damaged her hair beyond repair from bleaching and was going to get it cut short either way to allow healthy hair to regrow. The decision to shave it short was a spur of the moment one and in no way reflects anything else.
So while you all get busy with accusations, innuendos and presumptions the information is out there. Perhaps while you busy yourselves looking for verses to back your views on her short hair, you could also look up the ones about gossip, divisiveness and false witness. Pretty sure the Apostle Paul made some pretty strong statements about the destination of gossips alongside homosexuals, but didn’t include women with short hair in that list.
Meanwhile, in her apparently sinful state, Taya and her band mates are busying themselves with sharing the Gospel through their music and other endeavours.
Hi Shane,
Thanks for the note.
I have found a youtube clip and a recent article dated the 10 July 2017 outlining her her hair challenges, but that is after some 4 months of conjecture and confusion all across Christendom as to why it was so short and cropped like it was.
If this is the reason, then why is she not letting her some 430,000 instagram followers and others know the possible reason for the stark change. The number of people who have wondered why it was cut ran into the thousands.
Surely a simple note to everyone that her hair was needing to be revitalised, after too much blonding would have saved the day.
But instead we are left with this conjecture and speculation, and it is a confusion, when a woman looks like a man.
However I do note that her logo on instagram is a logo of herself with a microphone in her ear, with her new short cropped hair.
Shall we see what transpires over the next few months? In other words will she grow it back?
Guess most of you in name only Christians miss where she said she had done so much damage to her she had no choice but to cut it off. Shame on you pastor for saying you don’t judge then use Gods words to just do that. If God chose those to be his BEFORE the foundation of the world how can you know who they are. My bible says we are to judge those in are own congregation the rest Leave that to God. God will judge us by our hearts and no human can see anyone’s heart. I hope Pastor your heart is found to be right when God looks at yours. I’d remember Jesus telling his disciples when they complained about another group preaching Jesus said that if they are for us not against us. Problem with a lot of church goers they have religious beliefs, that will kill them, when what they need is a relationship with Jesus.
This article is so off-base and wrong. Give me a break! A beautiful Christian sister changes her hair style and you shout she is glorifying homosexuality? The Enemy is distracting you Brother. He’s getting you to focus on silly, trivial things. GOD LOVES HER. SHE LOVES GOD. It’s very clear. Stop judging based on looks. Geez!
Refocus on what REALLY matters in this world and what God wants us to do….LOVE other people and help him restore this earth and all of creation back to his original plan.
Dude she cut hair hair because it was damaged not because of that. And who are you to judge her and the church. Let God decide not you
Shouldn’t a human being be free to make their own choices without being judged? She cut off her hair for legit reasons, and if you fail to see that, that’s on you. Who knows? Maybe she was convicted by the Holy Spirit to cut off her hair, and learn something about herself and her true value is in Christ, and in not how she looks. Its honestly so sad to see articles like this.
Lance-
What an opportunity to demonstrate your character/conviction… will you retract the article and post an apology? I can see no reason that an apology is not appropriate other than sheer pride.
Irregardless if we agree on basic hermeneutics – we can certainly agree, that with the new information this particular artist revealed about their hair – your article is inappropriate, leaps to unfair conclusions and could be considered libel…
Shall we see how you respond to this reality? In other words, will you print the retraction and apology?
Just Sayin…
Hi Mike,
I will edit this article but not remove it entirely
I will make it much like an article as posted by Christianpost back in March.
There is still a concern over this shaving, rather than a simple haircut.
Some people are already looking on line to see if Taya’s hair has started to grow back.
Whew!
Leslie finally got it all off her chest…..
How much or rather, how little discernment there is in Christianity today, when we have people sticking up for their christian ‘idols’ with the same 11th Commandment—- judge not
Back to basics I think
I agree with Elena. She didn’t JUST cut her hair. She is also dressing very masculine with boy/man clothes since then, even more so than she was before. She could have cut it off and still be dressing as she was before or even more feminine, but she has gone more masculine a la Ellen Degeneres. This makes me think the haircut was about more than just removing damaged hair. I don’t know what’s going on with her, but I am reserving judgement for now. All I will do is post my opinion, which is that I prefer her look from before, pre-platinum and pre-buzz cut.
Where does it say in the bible thou shall not wear men’s clothes? Puh-lease, she is doing God’s work and being in the public eye Hillsong has accepted homosexuality but we are nobody to judge. God looks at everybody the same and does not discriminate so why should we? It seems like people would accept sex before marriage but not homosexuality, Read your bibles people! They’re the same in God’s eyes.
Here’s your answer:
“A woman shall not wear man’s clothing, nor shall a man put on a woman’s clothing; for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God. – Deut 22:5