Geoff Tunnicliffe, former general secretary of the World Evangelical Alliance, met with Pope Francis on Friday, June 10, 2016, for a gathering with prominent evangelical and Pentecostal leaders in Rome, Italy.
Lance Goodall 16 June 2016
As reported by Brandon Showalter Christian Post, Pope Francis and several prominent Evangelical and Pentecostal leaders met in Rome last Friday to discuss areas of mutual agreement and where they respectfully disagreed. The aim of the gathering, which had no official agenda, was to build unity between Christian traditions that have historic enmity.
Why are we trying to find common ground? Of course we can always find at least one or two areas of common ground, but what are the foundational truths we need to hold to, and not compromise on?
The Rev. Dr. Geoff Tunnicliffe, former secretary general of the World Evangelical Alliance and chairman of the Advisory Board of Christian Media Corporation, said in an interview with The Christian Post Tuesday, that there was a John 17 spirit during the two meetings he had with Pope Francis.
Tunnicliffe noted that formal meetings with the pope are often said to last only 30 minutes but one informal meeting with Francis and Evangelical and Charismatic leaders lasted over two hours.
Those at the gathering sensed the presence of God, according to Tunnicliffe, and a unity of the Spirit as their discussions focused on Jesus Christ even as they talked about theological differences.
Are these people delusional? Yes Jesus is central, but which Jesus, the ‘Jesus of the Eucharist’, or Jesus of Nazareth, now raised from the dead, who is seated at the right hand of God, and died once for sin?
It gets worse because although Jesus maybe the touchstone for discussion the Pope recently suggested that, without Mary, Jesus would never have come into being?? This is a blasphemy as well as pure natural thinking.
Jesus said, “before Abraham was, I am” He chose to use Mary, he didn’t need Mary.
Many Evangelical Christians are not happy with the pope. With reports such as Pope Francis saying the only way to God is through the Catholic Church (and not Jesus Christ, who said He was the way) to promoting Chrislam (A religion made by combining Christianity and Islam together), it is no wonder Christ followers are upset. Now they are getting upset again because Pope Francis is about to decree the Virgin Mary to be the fourth entity in the Trinity (which makes it a Quartet).
“These theological discussions have to take place in the context of relationship. Otherwise they become cold. And we are thankful for those opportunities where it is about building friends, while not dismissing the theological distinctives,” the former WEA leader explained. These relationships are what “help create the framework for the deeper discussions as well.”
I say, they are dancing with the Devil
Italian Pentecostal minister Giovanni Traettino was one of the key conveners of these meetings with Francis, with the two having enjoyed a steady friendship over many years. In July 2014, Pope Francis traveled to Traettino’s Church of Reconciliation in the southern Italian city of Caserta to apologize for the persecutions Pentecostals experienced at the hands of Roman Catholics. As was widely reported at that time, Francis, whose papacy had just begun the previous year, said: “I ask for your forgiveness for those who, calling themselves Catholic, didn’t understand we’re brothers,” and called for a “Church that is one in its diversity.”
Tunnicliffe mentioned in the interview with CP that these kinds of apologies were reciprocated by several Evangelicals in the meeting who had themselves mistreated Catholics in their respective communities. Those gathered articulated the need for greater reconciliation in the Church as a whole, emphasizing the desire to see Christ’s prayer in John 17:20-23 be fulfilled.
Really, did the Pope apologise for the pedophilia, the twisting of scripture, the persecution of the saints throughout the centuries?
In that passage, Jesus prayed for all who would believe in him through the message of his disciples:
“My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one — I in them and you in me — so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.”
What did i just read? What is this paraphrase?
Lets read this again — John 17:20 – 26 in the King James Version
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
Doesn’t sound like complete unity to me, but rather a ‘oneness’ based on certain conditions.
For a start Pope Francis bowed in homage to Mary recently. Put that in your evangelical pipe.
Pope Francis sat before the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe (Photo: AFP)
While in Mexico in February 2016 he suggested that;
“We can build shrines by sharing the joy of knowing that we are not alone, that Mary accompanies us. Be my ambassador, She (referring to the Virgin of Guadalupe) says to us, give food to the hungry, give water to the thirsty, give refuge to those in need, clothe the naked and visit the sick….”
Pope Francis also reached out to Evangelicals and show a spirit of unity through the Together 2016 event, with news last week that he will record a greeting for next month’s rally that seeks to bring 1 million Christians for prayer and worship at the National Mall in Washington, D.C.
The Together 2016’s website reads: “Jesus directly challenged a culture of division. He prayed we would be one — one family, one body. And He told us to love our enemies. Everyone loves their friends; it’s when we love those who aren’t like us that the world takes note. It’s time to come together around Jesus in a counter-cultural moment of unity and love for each other.”
Tunnicliffe concluded, “I don’t think we have to wait another 500 years for another Reformation. God is doing some amazing things around the world for which I am thankful.”
What a ridiculous comment from a man who knows nothing obviously of what the first reformation was all about in the first place. This is apostasy in fall flight….